2012/5/25 Jan Holesovsky <<a href="mailto:kendy@suse.cz" target="_blank">kendy@suse.cz</a>> <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi Astron, Stefan Knorr (Astron) píše v Čt 24. 05. 2012 v 13:23 +0200: <div class="im"> > > Kill INSRT/OVER (and introduce 'Overwrite' only when overwriting): > > <a href="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b30e202861e9bdba4d86e76ba8a6f059da8efc31" target="_blank">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b30e202861e9bdba4d86e76ba8a6f059da8efc31</a> > > Here, I would like to propose two things: > * make Insert mode harder to trigger, for instance, by having to use > Shift+Ins (instead of just Ins) > * remove the inidactor wholesale </div>That is actually an interesting idea :-) The cursor changes to a block one when the overwrite mode is activated, so together with making it harder to trigger, it might be OK. Anybody against this? </blockquote><div> I would prefer if the shortcut was kept as "Insert", as that's the shortcut used by virtually every other application that allows overwrite mode. Also, could the cursor stay a block even at the end of the line, so that the user knows he's in overwrite mode? Alternatively, I've seen some applications use a red cursor instead of a block, which would be more effective at communicating to the user that he's in overwrite mode. See <a href="https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkZFZTMU5YUmR4S1U">https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkZFZTMU5YUmR4S1U</a> for what it might look like. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div class="im"> > > There are few more things still to be done, the most important ones that > > we talked are: > > > > - more helpful STD/BLK/... etc. selection statusbar indicator > > Do we really need indicators for the selection modes at all? They are > sufficiently hard to trigger and a sufficiently minor use case to > ignore them in the main window, I think. </div>Too late, I've implemented that in the meantime :-) <a href="http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/%7Ekendy/design-list/selection-mode-status-bar.png" target="_blank">http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/design-list/selection-mode-status-bar.png</a> </blockquote><div> Great! The names for the selection modes don't correspond with those on the help page (<a href="http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Selection_Mode">http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Selection_Mode</a>), though -- could you edit one of them so that they're consistent? Also, the icon looks a bit off-center -- do you think you could center it between the two separators? Lastly, would it be possible to show the menu above the status bar, with its left border aligned with the separator to the left of the selection mode icon? I know I'm being nitpicky here... </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <a href="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=f76fde91c4103812d924b973cec83a7b316a1f05" target="_blank">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=f76fde91c4103812d924b973cec83a7b316a1f05</a> I think it might be unused these days because nobody knew what the three letter acronyms actually stood for; but maybe I am wrong. Either way, it is at least usable and better looking now. <div class="im"> > > - improved Windows 7 look (nicer menus + toolbars there, make use of the > > drawing into the non-client area) > > I took a look at it... nice, but currently also unusable, because the > text can't be read. </div>If you mean what is in master now, that is only a proof-of-concept of drawing into the non-client area, unfinished work. But I'd like it to be a bit different, I'll start a thread on the design@ list about that. Regards, Kendy </blockquote></div>