Hi everyone,<br>Sorry I couldn't make the chat (I'm typing this last minute at school in class).<br>That said, let me at least comment on the issues raised:<br> <br>On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Cedric Bosdonnat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbosdonnat@suse.com" target="_blank">cbosdonnat@suse.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br> <br> After having some feedback of several users in the french contributors,<br> I would like to have a small chat with you to discuss the too innovative<br> things of that dialog.<br></blockquote><div><br>Did they test the dialog after you implemented single-click? (I myself have had issues with the double-click browser.)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br> First of all there is no need to think about tablet-oriented design<br> since this UI will need to be written once again for the tablets.<br></blockquote><div><br>1) All the UI decisions have good reasoning behind them for mouse users. They're not tablet-specific.<br>2) When you say tablets, you mean devices that run Android and iOS. However, that completely ignores devices with a touch screen that run desktop operating systems, the number of which, with the introduction of Windows 8, is rapidly increasing.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br> The feedback I have:<br> * Single click is not consistent with the rest of the application. Can<br> be misleading for users<br></blockquote><div><br>There is a strong case to be made against double-click [1]. Actually, double-click is unintuitive in and of itself, and, on traditional desktop software, it's used so inconsistently that it's just something the user has to learn in each application (web and desktop), even though long-time users might not think so. Fortunately, software is moving away from double-click. But the only way to do this is iteratively, thus there must be some inconsistencies while changing over. (GNOME 3 is undergoing the same process.)<br> <br>But rather than talk about why not double-click, here's the reason why we should use single-click.<br>The primary function of the template dialog is to open an instance of a template -- that's what it will be used for most of the time. It therefore makes sense to associate it to the simpler, faster action, single-click.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> * Selection is not obvious<br></blockquote><div><br>Are you sure?<br>The same type of selection has been tried and tested in KDE's Dolphin and in web applications. elementary's also adopting this type of selection in its default file browser.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> * Adding a "Cancel" button would be nice<br></blockquote><div><br>It makes more sense to think of the Template manager as a standalone dialog, much like the Start Center.<br>Unlike modal dialogs, the Template manager has its own purpose.<br> (I hope to add some more thoughts at home, no time now.)<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Having innovating UI is great, but we need to keep it consistent across<br> the whole application. We also need to take care of our poor users still<br> sticking to old way to design ;)<br> <br> I would be in favor of:<br> * Using tabs as designed by Alexander<br> * Revert to single click for selection + double click for the action<br> * Remove the selection mode completely (even the triggering from the<br> right click)<br> * Add the Cancel button at least for the "Save As Template" case.<br> <br> For a meeting, I can easily manage to find time during office hours, but<br> outside it starts to be difficult. What about right after ESC today?<br> <br> Regards,<br> --<br> Cedric</blockquote><div><br>[1] <a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/10/double-click-must-die.html" target="_blank">http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/10/double-click-must-die.html</a><br></div></div></div>