<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I'd like to point out some ideas of mine for the new start center as well,</div><div><br></div><div>1. Tabs labeled All, Documents, Spreadsheets etc. would look better if they are located right under the window bar, currently they look like they've been pressed down by the Open/Templates buttons and LibreOffice logo area. </div><div>2. Changing the application background colour from settings change the SC background as well as usual, and LibreOffice logo looks bad under certain colours, not readable at all. Personally I am not sure if we ever need a LO logo for the Start Center, it just takes up space. </div><div>3. Info, Get Templates, Get Extensions buttons should be located on the lower corner, not upper. Again waste of space. </div><div>4. Open/Templates buttons are very very big, and they look very alienated on OS X. Have no idea about the other platforms. </div><div>5. New document buttons under the tabs are also very big, they do not look native, and they leave very valuable space wasted on the right side of the buttons. Same case for the small buttons under the All Recent tab.</div><div>6. Also mentioned here before, Recent Documents are would offer more file manager capabilities, basic functions like longer file names, ability to drag&drop, a search bar, and a system right click context menu!</div><div>7. When a recent document is opened, window should maximise itself by default, at least there should be an option to maximise the window automatically, a normal user would probably maximise the window area after opening a document. </div><div>8. As a long term goal, it would be better to merge templates window into the start center. </div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>18 Ağu 2013 tarihinde 14:16 saatinde, Mirek M. şunları yazdı:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Mirek M. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mazelm@gmail.com" target="_blank">mazelm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org" target="_blank">jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Le 14/08/2013 08:51, Mirek M. a écrit :<br>
<div>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure<br>
</div><div>> <<a href="mailto:jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org" target="_blank">jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org" target="_blank">jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Krisztian,<br>
><br>
> Le 24/07/2013 18:16, Krisztian Pinter a écrit :<br>
> > Hi all!<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm working on this GSoC<br>
> > project:<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas#Use_Widget_Layout_for_the_Start_Center" target="_blank">https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas#Use_Widget_Layout_for_the_Start_Center</a><br>
><br>
> I just tried the first implementation of the new startcenter in the<br>
> master. It is interesting to view the recent documents but there is a<br>
> problem in the actual implementation in which it is impossible to see<br>
> the entire name of the file. Do you plan to offer different views of the<br>
> list, like icons, detailed list and compact list?<br>
><br>
><br>
> My opinion on the matter:<br>
> It'd be good to keep the number of views simple.<br>
> A detailed list makes sense, but I don't see much of a point in an icon<br>
> list (thumbnails are much more informational, icons just show the file<br>
> type and are completely useless when you're not on the "All" tab).<br>
<br>
</div>I disagree, icons are useful even when you are not on the "All" tab to<br>
distinguish between ODF, MSO files or other document formats.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>AFAIK, we don't have separate icons for the various file formats right now.<br>However, if easy separation between these formats was something we needed, we could simply add labels to our thumbnails instead.<br>
This would add clutter, though, so perhaps presenting this information as a file extension might be better.<br></div><div class="im"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I think thumbnails are informational if you have the possibility to zoom<br>
temporary on a particular thumbnail to see a more detailed view. In<br>
other cases I prefer icons and filenames.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>You should use list view, then. :)<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
> I'm not in favor of a compact list either -- if you need a list, use the<br>
> detailed list view, if you need to browse quickly, use the thumbnail<br>
> view. I realize that the compact view is much more compact, but it<br>
> doesn't seem worth the work and the UI overhead.<br>
<br>
</div>I agree, it was just an example of the different possible views.<br>
<div><br>
><br>
><br>
> In the mockup (here:<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Start_Center" target="_blank">https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Start_Center</a>) the<br>
> filenames follow the old ms-dos 8 digit rule; am I wrong if I assume<br>
> that, today, nobody still uses that rule in the real life ? ;-)<br>
><br>
><br>
> Sorry, I left out the handling of long names from the proposal.<br>
> Given that Gnome Documents [1] uses the same layout, how about adopting<br>
> their way -- limiting the filename to two rows, and if it doesn't fit,<br>
> cutting it off about 8 characters from the end of the word, if I'm not<br>
> mistaken. You can ask Jon McCann or Jakub Steiner about the specifics,<br>
> if you'd like.<br>
<br>
</div>Why only 2 rows? If the files systems allow to have long filenames,<br>
applications should not decide to nullify this functionality.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I was basing the design on that of Gnome Documents, where the reasoning is to keep a nice layout going.<br></div><div>
iWork and Google Drive go even further and allow one line for filenames.<br>
</div><div><br>Perhaps you're right, though -- maybe we should leave the file names up to the user. Still, I'd be more comfortable limiting the name to at least 3 or 4 rows, to make sure a single file doesn't completely break the layout.<br>
</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
In a detailed list view, each column should be adjustable.</blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Forgot to comment this:<br></div><div>Here, again, I'd like to adopt the Gnome Documents layout, which is not adjustable, but works well with just about any reasonable window size.<br>
</div><div>The columns are:<br></div><div>1) Small thumbnails<br></div><div>2) Titile on the first row, the author in a lighter font on the second row. This column has maximum width.<br></div><div>3) File type (for us, simply "ODF" or "DOC" would do)<br>
</div><div>4) Local vs. cloud storage (not applicable for us right now)<br></div><div>5) Date of last edit.<br><br></div><div>That said, maybe the list view is a bit premature at this point.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Indeed it is<br>
very common to have filenames longer than 30 characters and<br>
distinguishable only by their last characters (for example when using<br>
suffixes like _v01, _v02, etc.).<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yes -- that's why the cuttoff should leave about 8 characters at the end of the word. (Gnome's example is "Filetype icon is really a severe an..xception".)<br>
</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
As the new StartCenter becomes a kind of document manager, it should be<br>
very useful if it allowed to right-click on a document to display some<br>
useful informations like size, pathname, last modified date, etc. <br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
From an accessibility point of view, tooltips should be displayed in the<br>
thumbnails view.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Tooltips with what information?<br></div><div>(Tooltips should show the full title if it's cut off.)<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Another function which could be very useful is "remove all not existent<br>
local files from the recent files list".<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This should be done automatically, not with a button.<br></div></div></div></div></div>
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