minutes of ESC call ...

Thu Aug 9 08:13:48 PDT 2012

* Present
	+ Kohei, Rainer, Cedric, Lionel, Eike, Astron, Andras,
	  Stephan, Caolan, Michael, Thorsten, Norbert, Kendy,
	  Michael S, Petr

* Completed Action Items
	+ task selection for LibreOffice 4 wiki:
		+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
		+ [ punted for now ]

* Pending Action Items
	+ [pending] notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
	  statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
		+ reviews done
	+ make bytemark windows box do release builds (Fridrich)
	+ maildrop for Gerrit (Bjoern)
		+ 3/4 done, in progress idly.
	+ 4.0 issues (Everyone)
		+ everyone interested in cleanups - claim your work until next ESC!
			+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
	+ crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz)
		+ [ in progress ]

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 3.6.0 update & post-mortem
		+ all was quiet until the last two release candidates
		+ only panicing at the last minute
		+ was timing related / summertime ?
		+ first-start / updating bug issue
			+ underestimated
			+ Stephan: bad timing, reported on Linux etc. used
			  non-released builds between.
			+ by chance, Michael fixed the windows build
			+ prereg feature only used on Windows, fix for issues
			  didn't make it into 3.6 from master.
			+ systemic problem where people are encouraged to
			  remove their user-installation vs. moveaside & make
			  available.
AI:			+ update QA FAQs / challenge answers to encourage moving
			  profiles away instead of deleting (Rainer)
				+ user installs can have sensitive data though,
				  care needed - but keep that around.
			+ non-upgrades for profiles from dev / intermediate versions
				+ removing user-profile inconsistent data hid issues
				  and hurt testing too
				+ Always create code to upgrade / never advise removal
				  of inconsistent data.
				+ Rainer happy to help with profiles.
		+ suggest zero tolerance policy for upgrade issues during development
			+ could have upgrade tinderbox (Bjoern)
			+ be nice to have some unit tests too (Michael)
			+ most important thing to get to better tests (Stephan)
		+ standard test for how profile updates work (Rainer)
			+ it ~never works, but put more focus on this
			+ the problem was so frequent people got used to it.
		+ adopt a near zero tolerance policy for upgrade issues during development
			+ bibisect can cause problems (Bjoern)
			+ agree - lots of ignoring of profile problems
			  with WORKSFORME when profiles are removed (Rainer)
				+ should not tolerate this.
		+ collecting user-configuration - have a script / app to
		  dump it as a .zip ?
AI:			+ file an easy-hack to ship a binary to dump it (Petr)
		+ 2x days of performance issues on the main website
			+ can cause issues
		+ missing MSI signatures
			+ Andras forgot; normally some RC tester checks/reports that
			+ Thorsten added validation to upload scripts.
		+ few native-lang projects deferred announce due to dictionaries bug
	+ 3.6.1 RC1
		+ pull the timeline in - do RC1 in 1 week instead
		+ freeze / checkin deadline on Monday
		+ RC2 in one extra week.
		+ fixes the upgrade bug earlier.
	+ 3.5.6 RC2
		+ tagged this week / final version
		+ builds being up-loaded / announce soon - on track.

* GSOC update (Cedric)
	+ bit more than a week to go, make students aware it's almost over
	+ pencils down / evaluations by August 20th

* UI / design update (Astron)
	+ discussion about updated icons for gallery
	+ ongoing options discussion
	+ official git repo for artwork ?
		+ should we re-use the old repository ? (no)
	+ ongoing discussion around artwork licensing
	+ new 'templates' repository created
		+ can we push templates there ?
		+ 70 new templates up-loaded to the wiki page
		  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Call_for_Templates
		+ need CC0 / authenticity statements & push those to git.
	+ intends to package Astron & Alexander's templates first (Bjoern)
		+ and do a package release
		+ packagers who want sexy new templates take note ...
		+ need some macro sanity checking
	+ Astron / Alexander to provide editorial feedback & improvement
	  encouragement
	+ Toolbar fixing status - on Kendy's todo.
	+ Bjoern created some Design easy-hacks
		+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_required_Skill#Easy_Hacks_requiring_Design_Skills

* Adobe Sans Pro bundling (Caolan)
	+ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/adobe-releases-source-sans-pro-a-new-open-source-font/
		+ lots of positive noise about it, no problem adding it (Caolan)
	+ no Cyrillic or Greek, perhaps bundle other fonts instead (Astron)
	+ we have an only-ascii font currently (Caolan)
AI:	+ re-think our bundled font list (Astron / design-team)

* Call for Papers - talks @ LibreOffice con
	* ESC agenda - 16th day before for an in-person meeting / hack-fest
		+ please book flights for a day earlier
	+ http://conference.libreoffice.org/call-for-paper
		+ co-hosting talks is fine
		+ find a parterner for your short talk
		+ potentially add a "15mins" to the subject if you
		  want a short talk
		+ please submit lightning talks too

* liblangtag issues (Eike)
	+ controversial new required LGPLv3 dependency
		+ implements BCP47 language codes
		+ lots of nice code cleanup possible
	+ very simple replacement for iOS / Android
	+ not an ideal situation
	+ invest outside the wrapper & lets see

* AOOi git import
	+ with full OO.o history back to day one on top of OOO340_m1
		http://download.go-oo.org/AOOi/
	+ like to push it to our git repo
		+ adds another 40Mb of download +5% ...
AI	=> just do it (Kendy)

* bugzilla / gerrit integration (Bjoern)
	+ concern about getting spammed a lot from calc guys.x
	+ postpone discussion for next week.

--- out of time ~everything postponed below ---

* 4.0 - ongoing discussion (All)
	+ best ideas heard so far: to do an ABI thaw for 4.0,
	  and keep in place until after 4.1 - 1 year for ABI
	  fixing.

* QA update (Rainer)
	+ producing a bibsect repository for Windows (Norbert)
	+ new bug report page - with search for duplicates [!] ...

* GUADEC update (Michael)

* git-review thoughts (Bjoern)

* gerrit update (Bjoern)
	+ bugzilla / auto-commenting integration
		+ filter-able changes ? ...
	+ --new-changeid discussion

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
    + 11 (of 58) older 12/55 11/48 8/42 10/37 11/35 5/26 5/21 3/19 4/15 8/13
         19%            22%   23%   19%  27%   31%   19%  24%  16%  27%  62%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
    + 75 open (of 253) older 77/253 73/250 72/249 67/244 70/243 73/241 72/238
         30%                   30%    29%   29%    27%    29%    30%    30%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 177(-3) bugs open of 723(+3) total

    * ~Component   count net *
    + Writer       - 67 (-2)
    + Presentation - 21 (+1)
    + Crashes      - 20 (+1)
    + LibreOffice  - 17 (+1)
    + Spreadsheet  - 16 (-4)
    + Database     - 11 (+1)
    + Drawing      - 11 (+0)
    + Borders      - 9  (+0)
    + Migration    - 7  (+0)
    + Writer / RTF - 7  (+0)
    + Basic        - 2  (+0)

    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
    + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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