minutes of ESC call ...

Michael Meeks michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Dec 13 09:16:29 PST 2012


* Present:
	+ Stephan, Petr, Bjoern, Caolan, Kohei, Michael M, Eike, Joel,
	  Lionel, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items
	+ add completed technical 4.0 changes to features wiki page (Michael M)
	+ grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
		+ have a list of people <-> bugs to process.
	+ come up with a proposal for UNO breakage / ns timestamps (Stephan, Michael S, Lionel)
		+ punt to next time
	+ setup LibreOffice 4.1 schedule in the wiki (Petr)
	+ check stlport situation with DudenCorrector (Thorsten)
		+ thorough testing with Beta1 & stlport removed planned
		+ should get rid of stlport on all platforms in anticipation

* Pending Action Items
	+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
	+ minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
	+ work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
		+ [ in progess ]
	+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
	+ tweak the configure defaults (Kendy)
		+ no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs
	+ persuade Thorsten of final MSI / pkg naming / resting place (Kendy)
	+ update the 4.0 release notes wiki page to explain DocumentInfo (Michael S)
		http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Extensions_.2F_API_changes
	+ kill legacy stlport packaging (Stephan)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 4.0 timeline:
		+ Monday is the deadline for Beta2
		+ ideally the last deadline for delayed features
		+ still no double etc. review needed until we get to RC1
	+ 3.6.4 retrospective
		+ a good release, needed an rc3 only down to a minor slip
	+ please don't forget to cherry-pick fixes from master -> 4.0 -> 3.6
		+ 3.6.5 - in January 14th
	+ completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan)
AI:		+ mail details on signing etc. to Caolan (Fridrich)
		+ fdo#58165 - drop stdlibs foo

* UX input (Astron)
	+ testing the Android remote
		+ issues getting it connected, Android 2.3 + openSUSE
AI:		+ interactive debugging on IRC (Thorsten)
	+ question from Mirek - someone to look into
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
		+ full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
	+ template manager design concerns (Cedric)
		+ ongoing discussion for 4.0
		+ old design file->templates->organise, new->templates & documents
		+ new template manager replaces the latter, needs work
		  to replace the 'organise' function; seems similar but
		  really isn't.
			+ missing fn is importing styles into documents.
		+ at least the common UI is much improved.

* un-publishing DataPilot APIs (Kohei)
	+ struggled to remove bits from types.rdb
		+ done - thanks to Michael S.

* gnome-vfs / dependencies issues (Bjoern)
	+ if adding libbonobo is the solution then we have the wrong problem
	+ causing crash-on-starts etc. - bin it for gio ...
	+ we need to get rid of gnome-vfs in our downloadable build
		+ no gio in RHEL5 base-line ...
	+ punt till next time - Fridrich input required.
		+ could potentially build with newer glib
		+ new dbus menu bits conditional on gio (Bjoern)

* bibisect build / brokenness (Bjoern)
	+ 262 builds in a single bibisect repo 4GB small ...
	+ poor download speed: 100k/sec (Joel)
	+ bibisect could be improved to avoid compiling the center
	  of back-to-back checkouts
	+ some 1/4 of random checkouts don't build successfully

* Disabling Office 95 export filters (Brian Q)
	+ disable word 6 export ? (Caolan)
	+ why are people even selecting that ?
	+ decided: disable it for now, leave code in in case of
	  screaming for a release or so (agreed)

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
	+ ongoing work as above.

* Features - please update:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
		+ with screenshots / feature details ...
AI:		+ add impress remote shots (Thorsten)

* 4.0 completed tasks:
	+ un-publishing of data-pilot interfaces (Kohei)
	+ liblangtag - fixed wrapper to not require loading until started (Eike)

* 4.0 pending tasks
	+ binfilter:
		+ warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
	+ drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
		+ lots of cleanup in configure
	+ remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk (Thorsten)
	+ MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice
		+ also rename the Linux download tar-balls (Fridrich)
		+ and Mac packages.
		+ causes some pain for download scripts (Thorsten)
		+ getting installer up on download list, other
		  shuffling is painful
		+ LibO not a great truncation - branding-wise.
		+ persuade Thorsten of final resting place goodness (Kendy)
	+ user migration path thought / testing (Stephan)
		+ seems to work nicely; modulo re-enabling of explicitly
		  disabled extensions post migration
		+ if it is not going to work it'll be disabled again during
		  registration.
		+ still issue with 'MIGRATED' flag, esp. on Windows + Mac
AI:		+ need to rename the MIGRATED flag and unwind re-migration (Michael)
	+ disable legacy stlport packaging for Linux + Mac (Stephan)

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
	+ developers need to decide what to do next
		+ punting for a month ?
	+ re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
	https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
	+ mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.

* QA update (Joel)
	+ include Android Remote in QA / testing day
	+ PC World article had a write-up about test-week:
		https://www.pcworld.com/article/2019594/help-improve-libreoffice-4-0-in-a-test-marathon-this-month.html
		+ working on improving the wiki for the test-week
	+ QA call tomorrow
	+ more people showing up in IRC to help out
	+ focused on getting test systems setup
	+ a lot of stuff on fdo - lots of extremely technical bugs vs. 4.0
		+ query 'UNCONFIRMED' vs. 4.0/4.0alpha/4.0beta
	+ Joel's favorite bug of the week:
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57953

	** Requests for specific areas for QA appreciated **

	** Wanted: Hackers/Helpers to hang out in #libreoffice-qa over the week **
		+ please identify yourself in:
		http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0#When:_December_14_to_19

* regressions spike explanation ? (Michael S)
	+ UI of BSA - uses unfortunate terms - users specify
	  their problem used to work in a previous version
	+ what they mean is used it for actual work / or ambiguous
	  formulation
	+ writer: removed 'regression' from 8-10 bugs, filed by BSA,
	  more or less obviously not regressions.
	+ quick sanity check: version reported == last-known-working version
		+ these are clearly nonsensical / not-regressions
AI:		+ can we elide 'regression' from those in the BSA (Rob S?)
	+ lots of users: updating their versions to latest
		+ user expectation is that versions bump forwards
		+ first version tested against ...
		+ discuss it at QA call.
AI:	+ can BSA add the version to the comment as well (Rob S?)
		+ to avoid users double submitting that.

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
	+ 13 (of 41) older 9/34 10/34 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
	     32%           26%  29%   35%   29%  22%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 34 (of 160) older 35/158 32/153 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132
	      21%            22%    21%     20%    22%    23%    24%    24%    23%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 54 (of 268) older 62/277 64/279 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279
	      20%            22%    23%     23%    23%    25%    25%    27%    28%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 219(+4) bugs open of 1000(+26) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	+ Writer       - 94 (+0)
	+ Presentation - 23 (+0)
	+ Spreadsheet  - 17 (+2)
	+ Crashes      - 17 (-4)
	+ Database     - 15 (-2)
	+ Drawing      - 13 (+0)
	+ LibreOffice  - 14 (+0)
	+ Borders      - 9  (+0)
	+ Basic        - 5  (+2)
	+ Migration    - 5  (+0)
	+ Writer / RTF - 3  (+1)

	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
	+ Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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