ESC meeting minutes: 2022-06-02

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Jun 2 14:53:39 UTC 2022


* Present:
     + Caolan, Stephan, Heiko, Thorsten, Michael S, Olivier, Hossein, Ilmari, Lubos, Tomaz, Thorsten, Xisco, Miklos, Eike, Kendy, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
     + create a wiki page for under-loved areas (Miklos)
       + see <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Under-loved_areas>

* Pending Action Items:
     + create a bugzilla query for open easy hacks without the reviewed:2022 whiteboard field (Hossein)
     https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks/Review
     347 bugs to review, help is appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
     + 7.4 status:
       + beta 1 in 1 week + feature freeze
       + late features: SmartArt editing (Thorsten)
     + 7.3 status: 7.3.4 rc2 was tagged
     + Remotes: Android, iOS
     + Android viewer

* Under-loved areas of the codebase (Michael M)
   + got plenty of good feedback (Caolan)
   + got lots of a11y feedback, want to summarize in the wiki
     https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Under-loved_areas
   + RTL summary for the wiki will be added (Hossein)
   + X-Forms feature is under-loved too
       + some people might use it and care (Miklos)
   + I added a list of commits per module (Michael)
       + is there a bugs/LOC metric ?
          + stats are there from bugzilla (Xisco)
            + have a similar script - will look at it.
   + do we have a list of modules ? (Hossein)
       + just used top-level directories (Michael)
   + to be abundantly clear: this is a speculative exercise based
     on trying to speed-up a new putative process for identifying
     areas to invest for the board (Michael)
       + hopefully avoiding any potential delay.
   + one thing to take to account (Hossein)
       + very old / popular bugs
       + think we can find things like that (Xisco)
   + things mentioned in QA section but hard to find the person (Miklos)
       + since not regressions - is that an interesting BZ query
       + high-severity but not a regression ?
       + enough duplicates - QA adds bumps severity (Xisco)
   + should we take it as-is and send it ? (Miklos)
       + suggest ranking it like we do for the budget (Michael)
       + when should we have a cut-off ?
       + if leave one more week before ranking - will get stats from BZ (Xisco)

* How to progress with Notebookbars (Heiko)
   + in bug 135501 (change the UI default) finalization is requested first
   + XML toolbar vs. UI MUFFIN
     + all/different kind of controls not only button; having different sizes
     + responsive to position / size (overflow mechanism)
     + context sensitive, customizable, extensionizable
   + see also bug 142653 c10
   + the hard problem is: not clear where we want to go
     + XML vs glade-based .ui concept
     + what can we do to make LO to have a more modern look? (Heiko)
       + would be very happy to declare this as an under-loved area (Kendy)
     + home-grown XML format possible to be extended - back-compat etc. (Miklos)
       + at the same time - don't want to expose glade format in SDK/extensions
     + a tension between fanciness & configurability (Heiko)
        + no idea how to tender moving between glade & XML
        + can produce one beautiful hard-coded UI with no flexibility
     + should ask users what they prefer (Olivier)
        + will show notebookbar is very important.
     + no right/wrong answer (Thorsten)
        + question over where the focus should be
        + in the end will irritate / disappoint someone
        + switch UI to something else:
           + old menu/toolbar should be still available for upgraders
           + only if you install a new UI - get chooser then ribbon UI
           + deprecate over several years.
        + idea - notebookbar not integrating whith extensions ? (Miklos)
           + orthogonal - where & how to provide programmability. (Thorsten)
              + strong-point, integrate into a larger solution.
              + what market should LibreOffice be usable for ?
              + single home-user occasionally loads a docx
                different from someone integrating it with their custom app / UI
                + sidebar / notebookbar
              + is always a need for customization, switching off things,
                cutting down the UI.
              + historically - always needed.
         + mnemonics don't work in notbookbar (Heiko)
            + a11y, customization a problem
     + good feedback here (Miklos)
        + can you come back with a proposal from the design POV ?
        + no-chance (Heiko)
           + is it enough to add to under-loved areas (Kendy)
              + write the main concerns, not collecting everything
              + seems you have some bits off top of head.
              + the best outcome (Heiko)
                 + no developer is working on this
                 + was Szymon occasionally in the past, need someone
                   doing the work.
         + worth getting the UX / product view of LibreOffice (Thorsten)
            + recollection of hey-days of notebookbar
            + was quite attractive - got many volunteer contributions on it
               + did other things in their day job & worked here in private time ?
            + worth getting the hard problems solved with paid time
               + then attracting volunteers to pad it out ?

* Atticization of LOOL (Michael)
   + proposal on a process for doing this.
   + ESC can propose this
   + to get it out of limbo with a clear outcome & clear way to re-start it.
   + propose to think about this for a week
   + worth having that discussion at this point (Thorsten)
      + not talking about it for a year or two - not going to resolve things
      + would abstain in a formal vote, but support having the discussion
   + a very under-loved area (Heiko)
   + proposal would be to think about this for a week (Miklos)
      + formal vote next week.
   + don't remember what atticization means (Olivier)
      + Emiliano and I wrote that (Thorsten)
         + poicy adopted in March
         + idea is to not have something around people think is
           maintained
         + an indication people shouldn't expect sec. fixes & updates
         + LOOL is in a limbo state for ~2 years
         + useful - support having the discussion now to make up our mind.
     + reading it as abandoning the project (Olivier)
        + if it means deleting the git repo etc. that's not the case (Miklos)
        + perhaps the outcome is the same (Olivier)
     + does it work for everyone to think & make a decision next week ? (Miklos)
        + no objections
        + fine with me (Stephan)
           + would be good to have a protocol on how this works
           + will circulate a link to that (Thorsten)
           + policy is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/Attic

* Documentation (Olivier)
     + New Help
        + no news
     + Helpcontents2
        + updates and fixes (S. Chaklin, ohallot, A. Romedenne, Laurent BP)
        + Fixes after translators review (S. Chailkin)
     + Guides
        + Refactoring of guide chapters for better use of master document
        + Printed books available
        + 7.4 edition on the works.

     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         245(245) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
            created     25(6)     62(9)    132(9)      336(3)
          commented     71(24)   149(34)   308(45)    1521(44)
           resolved      6(5)     17(3)     64(2)      207(-3)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Seth Chaiklin made 119 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
           Olivier Hallot made 31 changes in 1 month, and 466 changes in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 23 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 15 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
           Timur made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 10 changes in 1 month, and 98 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 9 changes in 1 month, and 118 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 8 changes in 1 month, and 315 changes in 1 year
           Henschel, Regina made 7 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
           McNamara, Caolán made 6 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         276(276) (topicUI) bugs open, 81(81) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week    1 month    3 months   12 months
              added      9(-1)     16(1)      36(2)       62(3)
          commented     89(-38)   280(-31)   741(13)    2600(19)
            removed      0(0)       2(-1)     14(-1)      36(-1)
           resolved      2(-11)    26(-4)     77(-9)     354(-12)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 165 changes in 1 month, and 1801 changes in 1 year
           Seth Chaiklin made 56 changes in 1 month, and 192 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 44 changes in 1 month, and 82 changes in 1 year
           Henschel, Regina made 23 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 21 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 267 changes in 1 year
           Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 375 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 19 changes in 1 month, and 161 changes in 1 year
           Németh, László made 17 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 16 changes in 1 month, and 228 changes in 1 year

     + Bug 149414] Change submenu label for formatting textboxes and shapes in Calc and
           Impress
     + [Bug 126530] Tabbed Notebook Bar Usability Issues on Windows 10
     + [Bug 149406] What is expected behavior of padding for characters, with and
            without borders?
     + [Bug 149407] Proposal for slight change in position and label of controls in the
            Position dialog for objects
     + [Bug 149396] "Character" -> "Character Bottom" in "to" option for "to character"
            anchor and "Below" and "From bottom" as Vertical position
     + [Bug 149115] Accessibility Checker does not check for title property containing
            only white space
->  + [Bug 149372] Paragraph numbering similar to line numbering
->  + [Bug 149351] SLIDESHOW: Feature request to add well known keyboard shortcut from
            Powerpoint CTRL+A
     + [Bug 149353] With "to paragraph" anchoring, cannot position an object at the
             bottom of a paragraph that extends over two pages
     + [Bug 149341] When clicking an Insert-shape button, focus is wrong
     + [Bug 149316] Clarify what a master slide is a master _for_
->  + [Bug 149288] Create an option to hide empty headings in the Navigator
     + [Bug 89131] UI Control spin button for number of heading rows in dialog Insert
            Table is not working
     + [Bug 149304] UI Navigator style preview does not show font effects
     + [Bug 149287] UI: A different Formatting Mark for Numbered Entries
->  + [Bug 149281] Rename "Libreoffice" to "Libreoffice Start Center" in Windows Start
            menu
     + [Bug 149242] "Left paragraph border" -> "Left of paragraph indent" and "Right
            paragraph border" -> "Right of paragraph indent"
     + [Bug 145480] Find & Replace -> Footnotes/Endnotes
     + [Bug 138543] Not easy to notice that restriction to Selection has been activated
            automatically in PDF export or Print dialog
     + [Bug 109862] 'Font Size' button in vertical toolbar does not work


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 37(+24) import failure, 36(+33) export failures
       - troublesome commit bisected and reverted
     + 7 coverity issues
     + 11 ossfuzz issues
       - 1 crash, 10 various OOM and timeout

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.6.2
          + (-191) 603 794 816 646 779 781 522 558 428 373 166 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.2.7.2
          + (+46) 314 268 167 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.3.2.2
          + (-160) 1558 1718 1720 1622 2249 2101 1664 934 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.3.3.2
          + (+166) 1583 1417 1055 555 0
    + crash scraper from last week: already helped
      + thanks to Caolan & Stephan for the fixes
      + let's see the numbers from the next versions

* Mentoring/EasyHack update (Hossein)
           committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months     12 months
                   open      60(-29)    140(-9)     141(-9)       141(-12)
                reviews     390(72)    1122(84)    3002(-102)   12568(66)
                 merged     319(-4)    1377(13)    3767(-109)   15658(-63)
              abandoned      20(6)       71(2)      302(4)        825(-4)
            own commits     223(-22)   1086(-25)   2893(-70)    12475(-84)
         review commits      37(-3)     176(-3)     589(-36)     3598(-15)
         contributor...   1 week    1 month    3 months     12 months
                   open      33(13)     90(13)     95(11)        95(9)
                reviews     844(12)   3202(60)   8830(-148)   34386(-88)
                 merged      11(0)      41(2)     156(-9)      1366(-10)
              abandoned      20(13)     46(15)    193(20)       459(15)
            own commits      12(1)      51(4)     167(-27)     1359(-9)
         review commits       0(0)       0(0)       0(0)          0(0)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 306(306)
        total 363(363)   assigned 16(16)   open 320(320)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Srebotnjak, Martin made 6 patches in 1 month, and 20 patches in 1 year
           Nagy Tibor made 6 patches in 1 month, and 33 patches in 1 year
           Goncharuk, Lera made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
           Attila Bakos made 4 patches in 1 month, and 35 patches in 1 year
           Paris Oplopoios made 4 patches in 1 month, and 11 patches in 1 year
           Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
           flywire made 2 patches in 1 month, and 10 patches in 1 year
           Ashleigh Sinclair made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
           Fišeras, Aurimas made 1 patches in 1 month, and 1 patches in 1 year
           Possoz, Louis made 1 patches in 1 month, and 1 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           Thorsten Behrens made 96 review comments in 1 month, and 820 in 1 year
           McNamara, Caolán made 94 review comments in 1 month, and 534 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 84 review comments in 1 month, and 1242 in 1 year
           Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 952 in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 72 review comments in 1 month, and 896 in 1 year
           Christian Lohmaier made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 252 in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 52 review comments in 1 month, and 614 in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 708 in 1 year
           Németh, László made 46 review comments in 1 month, and 436 in 1 year
           Bergmann, Stephan made 42 review comments in 1 month, and 278 in 1 year
     + Patches automatically abandoned:
         Introduced a new test vector for running tests ( Akshit Kushwaha ) -> restored
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/120871
         tdf#144607 Log a message when libreoffice-base cannot be installed ( Ismael Luceno ) -> restored
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/123004
         prefer VCLXPopupMenu to underlying PopupMenu ( Caolán McNamara )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/126806
     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
           Possoz, Louis

   + Simplified the LibreOffice build instructions for different platforms
   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Hossein/Build
     + Minimized the build instructions
     + Tested the instructions for different platforms to verify that they work
     + Need more feedback
     + Java 9, or 11?
       + Java 8 is supported still, but not Java 9 (Hossein)
       + makes sense (Stephan)
       + the README.md in the toplevel directory documents the Jenkins baseline (Cloph)
         + Jenkins uses java 11
         + Java 9 upgrade was due to the commit Stephan mentioned on the mailing list (Miklos)
AI: update README.md accordingly (Hossein)

* GSoC (Hossein/Ilmari)
     + Timeline: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
     + June 13th, coding officially begins

* Commit Access
   + None
   + GSoC students? (Kendy)
     + Paris currently uses gerrit changes (Tomaž)
     + Fine with going with master for now (Thorsten)

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
   + resting since: 21 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
     from:Thu May 26 14:01:37 2022
     master linux rel  jobs: 135 ok: 128 ko:   5 fail ratio:  3.70 % break:   2 broken duration: 1.65%
     master linux dbg  jobs: 115 ok: 109 ko:   4 fail ratio:  3.48 % break:   2 broken duration: 1.59%
     master mac rel    jobs:  84 ok:  81 ko:   3 fail ratio:  3.57 % break:   1 broken duration: 1.47%
     master mac dbg    jobs:  80 ok:  76 ko:   4 fail ratio:  5.00 % break:   1 broken duration: 1.92%
     master win rel    jobs:  87 ok:  84 ko:   3 fail ratio:  3.45 % break:   2 broken duration: 1.34%
     master win dbg    jobs:  94 ok:  92 ko:   2 fail ratio:  2.13 % break:   1 broken duration: 0.60%
     master win64 dbg  jobs:  89 ok:  86 ko:   3 fail ratio:  3.37 % break:   2 broken duration: 1.33%
     master gerrit lin jobs: 409 ok: 342 ko:  39 fail ratio:  9.54% time for ok: mean:  21 median:  18
     master gerrit plg jobs: 394 ok: 262 ko: 101 fail ratio: 25.63% time for ok: mean:  43 median:  41
     master gerrit win jobs: 425 ok: 324 ko:  62 fail ratio: 14.59% time for ok: mean:  56 median:  54
     master gerrit mac jobs: 415 ok: 325 ko:  53 fail ratio: 12.77% time for ok: mean:  39 median:  35
     master android    jobs: 389 ok: 319 ko:  46 fail ratio: 11.83% time for ok: mean:  24 median:  18
     master gerrit all jobs: 423 ok: 246 ko: 135 fail ratio: 31.91% time for ok: mean:  79 median:  58
    + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_220602.html
    + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days:
       3 UITest_pasteSpecial                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       3 UITest_writer_tests4                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       5 CppunitTest_sdext_pdfimport                gerrit_windows
       5 CppunitTest_vcl_backend_test                gerrit_windows
      15 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      + it was a good week (Cloph)
        + sc_macros_test failure disappeared, though reason is not clear
      + pdf-related fix helped a lot
        + thanks Noel (even if just disabling the test)

* l10n (Sophie)
   + no updates

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
   + 16k cols in Calc (Lubos)
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133764
   + feature/chartdatatable: MSO-style data tables for charts (Tomaz)
     + see initial commits in master
   + Working on SmartArt editing (Armin)
   + Adding content controls to Writer (Miklos)
     + inline <w:sdt> in DOCX, rich text/checkbox/dropdown/picture/date types
   + Grammar checker (Mert)
     + finalizing, hope to get it in before the LO 7.4 branch-off
     + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/135178

* QA update (Xisco)

     + UNCONFIRMED: 1704 (+29)
         + enhancements: 274  (+6)
         + needsUXEval: 11 (+4)
         + haveBackTrace: 6 (+0)
         + needsDevAdvice: 28 (-1)
         + documentation:  29 (+3)
         + android:  3 (+0)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  12 (+1)

     + Most pressing bugs:
      New:
         None
      Old:
         + macOS: Can't save or open files using Finder dialog on Standard accounts on macOS 10.15 Catalina
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128233
            + started to happen with a new macOS version
            + somebody has to do the work to keep up with the new Apple requirements
              + sometimes this works, sometimes now (Stephan)

     + New high severity bugs of the week:
         None

* QA stats
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +129  +7 (-119) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Timur                   14
        Rafael Lima             8
        Caolán McNamara         7
        Dieter                  6
        Xisco Faulí             6
        sdc.blanco              6
        QA Administrators       5
        Martin Srdoš            4
        Mike Kaganski           4
        Tibor Nagy (NISZ)       4

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        Eyal Rozenberg          18
        sdc.blanco              9
        NISZ LibreOffice Team   6
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 4
        LaVerne                 4
        Xisco Faulí             3
        Aron Budea              2
        Colin                   2
        Justin                  2
        Mike Kaganski           2

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        McNamara, Caolán        6
        Seth Chaiklin           5
        Nagy Tibor              4
        Glogowski, Jan-Marek    3
        Németh, László          3
        *UNKNOWN*               2
        Attila Bakos            2
        Luboš Luňák             2
        Nabet, Julien           2
        Rizal Muttaqin          2

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Timur                   15
        NISZ LibreOffice Team   6
        Xisco Fauli             6
        Heiko Tietze            5
        Rafael Lima             5
        Dieter                  3
        Raal                    3
        m.a.riosv               3
        *UNKNOWN*               2
        Alex Thurgood           2


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
    + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
      6.0 : 1/53 -     1 %  (+0)
      5.4 : 0/41 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.3 : 0/54 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.2 : 0/43 -     0 %  (+0)
      5.1 : 1/36 -     2 %  (+0)
      5.0 : 0/64 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.4 : 0/76 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.3 : 0/73 -     0 %  (+0)
      4.2 : 2/134 -    1 %  (+0)
      4.1 : 3/85 -     3 %  (+0)
      4.0 : 2/83 -     2 %  (+0)
      old : 1/246 -    0 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            2
         Aron Budea             1
         Raal                   1
         Martin Srdoš           1
         Timur                  1


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Martin Srdoš           2
         Xisco Fauli            2
         Aron Budea             1
         Raal                   1
         Samuel Mehrbrodt       1
         Timur                  1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1260(-6) bugs open of 11819(+9) total 11(+0) high prio.

      done by:
         Xisco Fauli            3
         Michael Stahl          1
         Németh, László         1
         Raal                   1
         Samuel Mehrbrodt       1
         Timur                  1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 6(+0)
      LibreOffice   - 2(+0)
      Calc          - 1(+0)
      Draw          - 1(+0)
      Impress       - 1(+0)

    by OS:
      All           - 9(+0)
      Linux         - 0(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 2(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 462(-4)
      Calc                     - 200(+0)
      Impress                  - 123(-3)
      Crashes                  - 59(-3)
      Writer: docx filter      - 59(-2)
      LibreOffice              - 48(+0)
      UI                       - 45(+1)
      Draw                     - 44(+0)
      Writer: perf             - 38(+1)
      Borders                  - 36(-1)
      Writer: other filter     - 35(+0)
      Base                     - 34(+0)
      Chart                    - 26(+0)
      RTL                      - 25(+0)
      Writer: doc filter       - 22(+1)
      Printing and PDF export  - 20(+0)
      graphics stack           - 19(+2)
      BASIC                    - 17(+0)
      filters and storage      - 16(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 2(+0)
      framework                - 2(+0)
      Linguistic               - 1(+0)
      sdk                      - 1(+0)


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