ESC meeting minutes: 2023-06-15

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Jun 15 14:54:02 UTC 2023


* Present:
     + Regina, Stephane, Caolan, Cloph, Khaled, Heiko, Xisco, Hossein, Ilmari, Stephan, Miklos, Olivier, Michael S, Gabriel, Thorsten, Tomaz, Raphael, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
   + update Caolan's affiliation on the TDF / ESC page (Ilmari)
   + give the commit bit to Taichi (Cloph)
   + send the welcome mail to Taichi (Miklos)

* Pending Action Items:
   + ESC tendering: prepare the sheet with the ideas + estimates (Ilmari, Xisco)
     + Xisco shared the sheet for ESC consumption, hope to have it ready soon

* Release Engineering update (Cloph/Xisco)
     + master is bumped to 24.2, complain if that breaks scripts
     + 7.6 status: rc 1 will be in 3 weeks / string / UI freeze
     + 7.5 status: 7.5.5 rc1 in 2 weeks

* Documentation (Olivier)
     + Helpcontents2
        + Updates for accessing uno commands (ohallot)
        + Fixes (L. Balland)
     + Guides
        + Published Math Guide 7.5 (V. Ferreira)
        + Published Impress Guide 7.5 (Schofield)

     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         260(260) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
            created     2(-1)    17(-14)    82(-8)     303(0)
          commented     7(-2)    46(-21)   247(-24)   1034(4)
           resolved     1(0)      9(-4)     39(-4)     176(1)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Seth Chaiklin made 12 changes in 1 month, and 329 changes in 1 year
           Olivier Hallot made 11 changes in 1 month, and 500 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 7 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 6 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
           Robert Großkopf made 5 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
           Roman Kuznetsov made 4 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 4 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year
           Vernon, Stuart Foote made 4 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 3 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
           Cip made 2 changes in 1 month, and 2 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         275(275) (topicUI) bugs open, 62(62) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week    1 month    3 months   12 months
              added      8(4)      14(4)      32(1)       55(5)
          commented     33(-33)   203(-58)   834(-44)   2366(-1)
            removed      1(0)       4(-1)     14(0)       30(1)
           resolved      2(-6)     30(-15)   103(-6)     312(-8)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 144 changes in 1 month, and 1462 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 42 changes in 1 month, and 332 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 37 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 23 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
           Vernon, Stuart Foote made 19 changes in 1 month, and 368 changes in 1 year
           Bogdan B made 16 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
           Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 74 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
           Seth Chaiklin made 13 changes in 1 month, and 76 changes in 1 year
           Attila Szűcs made 12 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
     + [Bug 155839] When propmpted about missing hyphenation data - I should be
            offered a download link
     + [Bug 151976] missing Standard Toolbar buttons when editing chart
     + [Bug 155737] EDITING a cell: can't undo back to overwritten contents
     + [Bug 80188] Undo after Cut/Paste does not restore original cell contents
     + [Bug 155834] Unnumbered entries do not move together with their main entry,
            when list's "move item up / down" commands are used
  -> + [Bug 154756] Vertical text direction results in rotation, not vertical
            text direction
       + current behavior looks OK (Khaled)
       + opt-in / new way would be possible
     + [Bug 155729] Set paragraph style drop down is able to create new styles,
            which is unconventional (and not fitting the label)

* ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten & Florian)
     + propose a separate call, for those who want to rank (Thorsten)
     + suggest to re-use the ESC call timeslot for this if it works for everyone (Miklos)
     + no objections, let's decide next week (Thorsten)
     + today Xisco updated the ESC-aimed sheet, on nextcloud (Ilmari)
       + categories: drop, on-hold, do it, split it
       + worked on the budget 2023 page, dropping already done items
       + proposal: Ilmari will update the final voting result sheet (from Feb)
         + keep the votes there that people added
         + drop "done" items
         + in the call next week:
           + discuss what to drop, what to postpone, see if there are any objections
           + would speed things up if people are happy with existing votes
           + dropping items -> some may want to re-consider the vote
       + who to attend that call:
         + 22 members in the ESC
         + typical bidders: allotropia & Collabora is 9 members, so no majority
         + understanding is that the people who attend that call, there non-bidders have to have majority (Thorsten)
           + this is for discussion, not yet voting
           + how to do that: list everyone, potential bidders mark themselves, then see what has to be done
           + for people who usually participate, may not be a problem
           + for the vote, exclusively non-bidders (maybe a week later)
        + need to clear all the bidder votes? (Ilmari)
          + different reading: can have all input still (Thorsten)
          + but follow the process: meeting, no non-bidder majority there
          + suggestion: discuss it with Florian and if he sees this problematic, tweak it (Thorsten)
     + one step remaining (Xisco)
       + internal refactors, mostly proposed by Armin
       + really hard to evaludate the cost estimate of those tenders
       + what to do? leave them apart?
       + for staff, it's really hard to evaluate
       + many of these items really hold us back (Thorsten)
         + what is needed here is a plausability check
         + the intention is that nobody can play games with over or underestimating there
         + but it's not optional, somebody has to take responsibility
         + if not possible in time, there is a way to contract this out, but it's out of the question for this round
         + when a description has code pointers & bug reports, it's easier (Ilmari)
     + having more description + more details would be great (Hossein)
       + 1 page description for a tender would be much better
       + it helps judging
       + listing bugs is already helpful (Thorsten)
         + hesitate to say it must be 1 page
         + history of that was sometimes everybody knew what was the thinking there without more details
     + we won't have any problems if we let TDF members decide (Heiko)
       + if there is a good description -> then members can decide more easily
       + this is not the purpose (Thorsten)
         + rework stuff that is useful, but not necessarily instantly user-visible
         + e.g. Android project -> no instant end-user-visible app was there at the end
         + can't propose pie-in-the-sky projects here, people will see
         + idea: 10% of newly added project budget to be decided by members/community
         + bugzilla voting can be used there
         + orthogonal to ESC projects
         + with respect, disagree (Heiko)
         + if explained, members would do understand the details
         + good example: gbuild (Thorsten)
           + is a massive boost to dev productivity
           + no direct impact for users
           + if you have a concern, best to discuss that for the next year instead
     + justification for 1 page doc (Hossein)
       + this is a formal process
       + having a longer description to justify the tendering is good
       + tenders are worth a lot of money -> better description can be expected
     + tend to think: we had small and large projects (Thorsten)
       + fixed 1 page is not optimal
       + instead: more details is great
     + next step: ranking discussion next Thursday in the ESC timeslot (Ilmari)
       + can lead that call (Ilmari)

           + no objections (all)


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 31(+4) import failure, 5(+5) export failures
         -> Regina fixed new ones with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/153063
     + 1 coverity issues
     + 5 ossfuzz issues
       - one crash, probably fixed, new apng stuff

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.4.7.2
          + (+62) 380 318 250 251 118 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.3.2
          + (-246) 1109 1355 1174 1029 702 453 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.4.2
          + (+365) 365 0

     + Fixed in 7.5.4.2

     - StyleList::CustomRenderHdl(std::tuple<OutputDevice &,tools::Rectangle const &,bool,rtl::OUString const &>)

     - sw::DocumentLayoutManager::CopyLayoutFormat(SwFrameFormat const &,SwFormatAnchor const &,bool,bool)


* Mentoring (Hossein)
   + New EasyHack
     + tdf#155856 - Port C++ SDK examples make files to cmake / qmake
       https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155856
   + Mentoring calls
     + Submission problem -> Network issue
     + Guidance on building extension

           committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      72(21)     139(37)     189(36)      199(37)
                reviews     380(140)   1088(124)   2922(0)     10814(136)
                 merged     265(3)     1086(35)    3103(-33)   12416(122)
              abandoned      19(5)       56(9)      173(11)      658(11)
            own commits     148(-22)    712(-51)   2365(-69)   10304(8)
         review commits      54(8)      238(0)      731(-74)    3042(1)
         contributor...   1 week    1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      14(-2)     30(-15)    217(-14)     221(-13)
                reviews     752(70)   2606(68)    7938(-82)   31894(116)
                 merged      16(1)      61(-27)    445(-49)    2791(-100)
              abandoned       2(1)       6(-4)      60(-6)      499(-14)
            own commits      20(-1)     74(-4)     258(-42)    1007(-33)
         review commits       0(0)       0(0)        0(0)         0(0)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 329(329)
        total 396(396)   assigned 27(27)   open 343(343)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Dr. David Alan Gilbert made 10 patches in 1 month, and 15 patches in 1 year
           Armin Le Grand (allotropia) made 8 patches in 1 month, and 71 patches in 1 year
           Colomban Wendling made 6 patches in 1 month, and 24 patches in 1 year
           Baole Fang made 6 patches in 1 month, and 21 patches in 1 year
           Czeber László made 5 patches in 1 month, and 13 patches in 1 year
           Vojtěch Doležal made 4 patches in 1 month, and 14 patches in 1 year
           Sophia Schroeder made 4 patches in 1 month, and 46 patches in 1 year
           Srebotnjak, Martin made 2 patches in 1 month, and 20 patches in 1 year
           Bogdan B made 2 patches in 1 month, and 94 patches in 1 year
           Rafał Dobrakowski made 2 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           Nabet, Julien made 122 review comments in 1 month, and 924 in 1 year
           Vajna, Miklos made 92 review comments in 1 month, and 762 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 84 review comments in 1 month, and 1070 in 1 year
           Timar, Andras made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 382 in 1 year
           Caolán McNamara made 64 review comments in 1 month, and 64 in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 836 in 1 year
           Grandin, Noel made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 570 in 1 year
           Hossein made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 286 in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 38 review comments in 1 month, and 336 in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 38 review comments in 1 month, and 324 in 1 year
     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
           Michel Weimerskirch
           Martin Jambor (SUSE)

* GSoC (Ilmari)
   + coding started on 29th May (Thorsten)
   + Phase 1 evaluations: July 10 - July 14 18:00 UTC (Ilmari)
     + in 4 weeks
     + 1 mail is in the moderation queue
       + will check that (Eike)

* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/Thorsten/László)
   + resting since: 12 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 169 ok: 157 ko:   8 fail ratio: 4.73% mean_ok:  12 ( 18) median_ok:   9 ( 10)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 168 ok: 153 ko:   8 fail ratio: 4.76% mean_ok:  11 ( 17) median_ok:   7 ( 10)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 169 ok: 154 ko:  10 fail ratio: 5.92% mean_ok:  12 ( 17) median_ok:   8 ( 11)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 169 ok: 154 ko:   9 fail ratio: 5.33% mean_ok:  10 ( 16) median_ok:   8 ( 11)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 362 ok: 243 ko: 102 fail ratio: 28.18% mean_ok:  52 ( 57) median_ok:  50 ( 50)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 336 ok: 276 ko:  49 fail ratio: 14.58% mean_ok:  23 ( 26) median_ok:  20 ( 21)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 347 ok: 259 ko:  67 fail ratio: 19.31% mean_ok:  47 ( 51) median_ok:  43 ( 44)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 354 ok: 252 ko:  74 fail ratio: 20.90% mean_ok:  62 ( 77) median_ok:  56 ( 61)
gerrit_master              jobs: 362 ok: 194 ko: 139 fail ratio: 38.40% mean_ok:  83 ( 83) median_ok:  64 ( 64)
    + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_230608.html
    + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
       3 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil_branch
       3 JunitTest_sc_unoapi_1                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       3 JunitTest_sc_unoapi_2                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       4 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport17                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 JunitTest_toolkit_unoapi_4                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       5 UITest_calc_tests8                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       7 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       7 UITest_impress_tests                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil_branch
       9 CppunitTest_framework_dispatch                gerrit_windows
      23 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_mac
    + UITest_impress_tests failures on two of the bots seem to be gone with
      https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/152914 "tdf#154451 UITest_impress_tests: do not use oneprocess mode for now"
    + this week was normal week, would say (Cloph)
      + UITests_impress_tests is now better, thanks Xisco
      + auto-retry rule can be now dropped
    + migration in Switzerland is mostly done (Adfinis)
      + 3 more macs coming online soon

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
   + multi-color gradients (Armin)
     + what will we have UI for this? (Regina)
       + in 7.6?
       + don't think so, not in core (Thorsten)
       + wonder if gradient preset / template via ODF would be possible
       + started to think about release notes (Regina)
         + a document to the release notes that has some shapes with MCGR
         + so users can copy&paste
       + other idea: extend the normal palette with 1-2 MCGRs
         + that is possible in time, e.g. rainbow
           + not easy to have a nice rainbow :)
         + input from design team would be really good
     + once have a fix on master, can somebody help with 7.6 backporting? (Regina)
       + Xisco is open to help
       + that's a great service (Thorsten)
       + seconded (Miklos)
   + document themes (Tomaz)
     + Writer DOCX filter is free from grab-bags
     + added some more properties that are now theme-able (to Writer)
   + tdf#155118 multi-page floating tables in Writer (Miklos)
   + Added some basic SVG filters support (Xisco)
     + blur and colormatrix is added

* LibreOffice conference Bucharest 2023 (Gabriel)
   + call for papers: https://events.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-conference-2023/cfp
     + Deadline is at the end of June
     + Mike published a blog post for the workshop: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2023/06/13/learn-about-libreoffice-development-at-our-upcoming-conference/
       + 3 days of workshop
       + whoever wants to help in organizing, you're welcome to join (Gabriel)
         + contact Hossein, please

* QA update (Xisco)

     + UNCONFIRMED: 1147 (+32)
         + enhancements: 269  (+7)
         + needsUXEval: 10 (+4)
         + haveBackTrace: 8 (-1)
         + needsDevAdvice: 34 (+0)
         + documentation:  1 (+0)
         + android:  4 (+1)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  12 (+0)


     + Most pressing bugs:
      New:

     None


     + New high severity bugs of the week:
         + Opening spreadsheet very slow
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151946
             + already fixed, thanks Noel

* QA stats (Stéphane)
     + Dashboard news:
         + Can now show inherited issues in per-version chart
         + New "needinfo" and "open" timelines
     + Backport Justin's Tabbed UI fix to 7.5? https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/152125
         + 13 duplicates; 6 agreements/positive feedback on Bugzilla
         + hunting for a reviewer
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +112  +9 (-113) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        QA Administrators       19
        Justin L                11
        ⁨خالد حسني⁩             9
        Julien Nabet            7
        Buovjaga                6
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 6
        m.a.riosv               5
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 3
        László Németh           3
        Samuel Mehrbrodt (allotropia) 3

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        jindam, vani            6
        AvidSeeker              4
        Eyal Rozenberg          4
        Xisco Faulí             4
        Regina Henschel         3
        SATYA SRINIVAS K        3
        Telesto                 3
        Aron Budea              2
        Caolán McNamara         2
        Don Matschull           2

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        Justin Luth             3
        Németh, László          3
        Samuel Mehrbrodt        3
        خالد حسني               3
        Balazs Varga            2
        Juan C. Sanz            2
        Le Grand, Armin         2
        Nabet, Julien           2
        Paris Oplopoios         2
        Stéphane Guillou        2

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Heiko Tietze            6
        Stéphane Guillou        5
        m.a.riosv               5
        Dieter                  4
        *UNKNOWN*               3
        Hossein                 3
        Justin Luth             3
        Nabet, Julien           3
        ady                     3
        خالد حسني               3


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       4
         Justin Luth            1
         Xisco Fauli            1


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       4
         Justin Luth            2
         Xisco Fauli            1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1200(-3) bugs open of 12608(+8) total 14(+0) high prio.

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       3
         Justin Luth            1
         Németh, László         1
         Telesto                1
         Xisco Fauli            1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 8(+0)
      Calc          - 3(+0)
      Draw          - 1(+0)
      Impress       - 1(+0)
      LibreOffice   - 1(+0)

    by OS:
      All           - 10(+0)
      Linux         - 2(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 2(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 420(+0)
      Calc                     - 217(+0)
      Impress                  - 134(+0)
      LibreOffice              - 49(+0)
      Crashes                  - 47(+0)
      Draw                     - 46(-2)
      Writer: docx filter      - 45(+0)
      Base                     - 42(+0)
      UI                       - 35(+1)
      Writer: perf             - 33(+0)
      Borders                  - 32(+0)
      Writer: other filter     - 31(+1)
      Chart                    - 25(+0)
      Printing and PDF export  - 24(+0)
      RTL                      - 23(+0)
      BASIC                    - 18(+0)
      filters and storage      - 18(-1)
      Writer: doc filter       - 13(+0)
      graphics stack           - 13(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 3(+0)
      Extensions               - 2(+0)
      framework                - 2(+1)
      sdk                      - 2(+0)
      Linguistic               - 1(+0)


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