ESC meeting minutes: 2024-02-22

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Feb 22 15:33:29 UTC 2024


* Present:
     + Hossein, Oliver, Stephan, Xisco, Caolan, Cloph, Eike, Gokay, Heiko, Ilmari, Michael S, Michael W, Stephan, Miklos

* Completed Action Items:
     + atticize gnu-make-lo.git, finish this (Thorsten)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
     + 7.6.5 announced as final today
     + 7.6: 7.6.6 RC1 in 2 weeks
     + 24.2.1: RC2 this week
     + app store versions:
       + 7.6.5 will be published as an update soon

* Revert Shortcut modifications in German UI (Xisco)

     - 7 commits: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159743#c3

     - Bring compatibility with MSO. Gökay Şatır

     - Some german speaking users already complaining. 4 reports so far.

     - First approach: change Search shortcut: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163441

     - Revert proposal: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163484

     + nothing against these changes, but (Xisco)

       + 7 commits, goal is to be compatible with MSO

       + 24.2 is out, German speaking users complain about the change

       + e.g. the search shortcut is used a lot and is changed

       + but there were complaints about others as well

       + proposal: revert in 24.2 to have time to discuss it for 24.8

       + not feeling comfortable with pushing the button before reaching agreement

       + wanted to attract people from MSO side to feel comfortable in LO as well (Gokay)

         + of course the existing LO user's point of view is also reasonable

         + didn't expect a pushback

         + can live with a revert and then hope to put some of this back over time step by step?

       + Stuart's comment (Ilmari)

         + see https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159743#c9

         + idea would be to have an opt-in checkbox to have MSO-compatible defaults

         + and leave the actual default unchanged

         + maybe going this way is needed (Gokay)

       + the commit message didn't really specify what was research was done (Cloph)

         + tried to research this, have a German MSO + German keyboard (Gokay)

         + hoped to be a general change, but the focus is on MSO

       + example with the navigator (Heiko)

         + F5 to open it, then Ctrl-F opens it

         + believe F5 needs to stay at the navigator

         + local shortcuts area ideally discussed by the local community

       + also the help pages need updating (Cloph)

     => go ahead with the revert for now (all)

     + hope to find a way that works for everyone in the future (Xisco)


* Documentation (Olivier)
     + Helpcontent2
        + Help pages no Calc XMATCH and XLOOKUP (ohallot)
        + Scriptforge updates (A. Romedenne)
        + Typos (A. Gelmini)
        + Review of terminolgy changes (7.6 & 24.2) reflected in Help
     + Guides
        + Work in progress.

     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         285(285) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
            created     8(-1)    22(0)      44(2)     242(-7)
          commented     6(-14)   51(-6)    157(-2)    904(-32)
           resolved     0(-3)     5(0)      14(-1)    116(-8)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Vernon, Stuart Foote made 22 changes in 1 month, and 42 changes in 1 year
           Olivier Hallot made 19 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
           Alain Romedenne made 10 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 10 changes in 1 month, and 274 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
           Dan Dascalescu made 7 changes in 1 month, and 7 changes in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 5 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
           *UNKNOWN* made 5 changes in 1 month, and 6 changes in 1 year
           Juan José González made 4 changes in 1 month, and 4 changes in 1 year
           Kelemen, Gabor made 4 changes in 1 month, and 4 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 33(33) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
              added      5(3)      5(0)      7(-2)      20(-1)
          commented     90(64)   214(39)   530(12)    2077(31)
            removed      0(0)      0(0)      2(0)       14(1)
           resolved      8(4)     37(0)     82(5)      319(0)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 131 changes in 1 month, and 1257 changes in 1 year
           Vernon, Stuart Foote made 48 changes in 1 month, and 281 changes in 1 year
           Ady made 39 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 34 changes in 1 month, and 601 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 17 changes in 1 month, and 93 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 11 changes in 1 month, and 177 changes in 1 year
           Timur made 11 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
           Bob Harvey made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
           Németh, László made 9 changes in 1 month, and 23 changes in 1 year
     + [Bug 159738] CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong
     + [Bug 159748] UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist
     + [Bug 159543] Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer
     + [Bug 159737] Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in
            Autofilter dropdown


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 8(+3) import failure, 5(+2) export failures
      - think the last ItemSet problems are now sorted out, will see in the next run
      - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crashtesting
     + 2 coverity issues
     + 5 ossfuzz issues
      - 1 crash, expected fix committed

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
     + 7.6.2.1    47221(+1551)
     + 7.6.3.2    7903(+403)
     + 7.6.4.1    31005(+3359)
     + 24.2.0.3    5145(+2030)


* Mentoring (Hossein)
   + Reviewed submissions from the newcomers
   + Finalized and published a blog post for a difficultyInteresting EasyHack
     Make Impress master slides copyable – difficulty interesting EasyHack
     https://dev.blog.documentfoundation.org/2024/02/22/make-impress-master-slides-copyable-difficulty-interesting-easyhack/
           committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      70(-13)    139(1)      139(-2)      139(-2)
                reviews     422(8)     1514(20)    3514(-20)   11988(34)
                 merged     295(34)    1168(24)    3242(47)    12487(24)
              abandoned      10(-2)      45(-7)     188(-28)     650(-4)
            own commits     167(18)     708(-12)   2263(-34)    9559(-93)
         review commits      98(40)     289(18)     860(50)     3090(29)
         contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      19(-21)    247(-20)    247(-27)     248(-27)
                reviews     798(-4)    2880(16)    7720(-32)   30186(-194)
                 merged      38(16)     102(13)     348(15)     2023(-69)
              abandoned      11(7)       45(6)      132(-16)     535(4)
            own commits      49(23)     138(16)     332(39)     1058(28)
         review commits       0(0)        0(0)        0(0)         0(0)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 325(325)
        total 411(411)   assigned 26(26)   open 352(352)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Kurt Nordback made 20 patches in 1 month, and 21 patches in 1 year
           Dione Maddern made 14 patches in 1 month, and 22 patches in 1 year
           Armin Le Grand (allotropia) made 11 patches in 1 month, and 85 patches in 1 year
           Luv Sharma made 6 patches in 1 month, and 12 patches in 1 year
           Eli Schwartz made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
           Akshay Warrier made 4 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
           Hubert Figuière made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
           Weblate made 3 patches in 1 month, and 18 patches in 1 year
           vivek javiya made 3 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
           Devansh Varshney made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           Caolán McNamara made 188 review comments in 1 month, and 1170 in 1 year
           Vajna, Miklos made 116 review comments in 1 month, and 968 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 110 review comments in 1 month, and 1036 in 1 year
           Grandin, Noel made 106 review comments in 1 month, and 630 in 1 year
           Thorsten Behrens made 88 review comments in 1 month, and 618 in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 458 in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 68 review comments in 1 month, and 980 in 1 year
           Christian Lohmaier made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 356 in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 782 in 1 year
           Taichi Haradaguchi made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 122 in 1 year
     + Patches automatically abandoned:
         Simplify long if statements ( Hannah Meeks )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/155868
         tdf#156776 Base Table Design Save As For Dummies... ( Pierre Vacher )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/155950
         Ensure BarOfPie has ScaleData::ShiftedCategoryPosition == false ( Kurt Nordback )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/156367
         Restructuring to support reasonably code-efficient design for of-pie charts ( Kurt Nordback )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/156460
         Some rejiggering of of-pie code, plus implementing subpie chart ( Kurt Nordback )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/157302
         vcl: const parameters of local functions in outdev/text.cxx ( Chris Sherlock )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/159656
         vcl: move textlineinfo.hxx to inc/text and move classes to vcl::text namespace ( Chris Sherlock )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/159971
     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
           Kevin Ottens

* Outreachy (Ilmari)
   + find in the sidebar for Writer -- patch is pending review
   + several patches for the qt welding project

* GSoC (Ilmari)
     + https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/programs/2024/organizations/libreoffice
     + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/2024
     + till March 18: Potential participants discuss application ideas

* Deprecating Windows 7 and 8/8.1? (Ilmari)
   * Firefox 115 ESR is the last release supporting anything older than Windows 10
     + EOL of that is September 2024, FWIW (Miklos)
   * Chrome 110 (released a year ago) requires Windows 10
   * Market share looks like 5% of Windows.
   * What does "deprecating" mean? (Hossein)
     + deprecating means: announcement of the intention (Ilmari)
   * Amend wording to make clear that OS versions no longer supported by the OS Vendor are only compatible on a best-effort basis, no explicit testing is done, and while we don't intentionally break functionality some things might not work without us realizing (Cloph)
   * If the release notes say so, the website will also need updating (Stephane)
     + that can be done, but it comes in 2025
AI: add this to the 24.8 release notes (Ilmari)

* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/László/Gabriel)
   + resting since: 18 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 207 ok: 195 ko:   4 fail ratio: 1.93% mean_ok:   9 ( 21) median_ok:   7 ( 17)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 207 ok: 201 ko:   2 fail ratio: 0.97% mean_ok:   9 ( 20) median_ok:   7 ( 14)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 206 ok: 197 ko:   3 fail ratio: 1.46% mean_ok:   8 ( 20) median_ok:   7 ( 15)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 207 ok: 199 ko:   3 fail ratio: 1.45% mean_ok:  10 ( 21) median_ok:   7 ( 15)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 428 ok: 262 ko: 146 fail ratio: 34.11% mean_ok:  39 ( 45) median_ok:  32 ( 42)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 488 ok: 407 ko:  54 fail ratio: 11.07% mean_ok:  17 ( 26) median_ok:  15 ( 22)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 420 ok: 316 ko:  85 fail ratio: 20.24% mean_ok:  51 ( 52) median_ok:  48 ( 48)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 438 ok: 293 ko: 118 fail ratio: 26.94% mean_ok:  61 ( 87) median_ok:  47 ( 72)
gerrit_master_ml           jobs: 521 ok: 233 ko: 235 fail ratio: 45.11% mean_ok: 107 (107) median_ok:  87 ( 88)
gerrit_master              jobs:  58 ok:  28 ko:  27 fail ratio: 46.55% mean_ok:  76 ( 76) median_ok:  69 ( 69)
gerrit_master_seq          jobs: 460 ok: 206 ko: 204 fail ratio: 44.35% mean_ok: 108 (110) median_ok:  90 ( 91)
    + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_240222.html
    + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
       3 aborted by jenkins job timeout                gerrit_windows
       3 CppunitTest_sc_subsequent_filters_test3                gerrit_windows
       3 CppunitTest_sw_layoutwriter2                gerrit_windows
       3 UITest_writer_tests7                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       4 CppunitTest_sc_filters_test                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 CppunitTest_toolkit_a11y                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 JunitTest_sw_complex                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       4 UITest_writer_tests8                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       5 CppunitTest_sw_a11y                gerrit_windows
       5 CppunitTest_test_a11y                gerrit_windows
      10 CppunitTest_sw_pdf_test                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      + this week was OK in terms of Windows builds (Cloph)
      + CppunitTest_sw_pdf_test might be a dependency issue, but didn't look closely
      + there is also a long change chain in the queue (Cloph)
        + possibly this chain produced the pdf failures
      + CppunitTest_test_a11y failures, was that a bot related failure or not? (Michael W)
        + possibly was an attempt to just keep the build more stable, probably not bot related (Cloph)

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
     + A11y update (Michael W)
       * gtk4: Implement new GtkAccessibleTextInterface, related Gtk upstream fixes
       * Accerciser: submitted MR to make "Select object under mouse pointer" work for
         Gtk 4 apps on X11, related Gtk fixes
     + JJ's work on crash report website (Stéphane)
       + repo is now on gerrit, under infra, open for contributions

* COOL Days 2024 (Miklos)
   + https://www.collaboraoffice.com/cool-days-2024/  8th -> 10th April
   + contributors can submit 5 mins talk proposals at https://eventyay.com/e/0512424d/cfs
   + LibreOffice Technology hackfest as part of it

* QA update (Xisco)
     + UNCONFIRMED: 1120 (-7)
         + enhancements: 265  (+4)
         + needsUXEval: 2 (-3)
         + haveBackTrace: 9 (+0)
         + needsDevAdvice: 45 (+0)
         + documentation:  10 (+1)
         + android:  0 (+0)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  9 (-1)


     + Most pressing bugs:
      New:
         + Crash at undo of RTF Paste
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159385
             + bisected to Tomaz


     + New high severity bugs of the week:
         + Libreoffice unusable with different scale factors used for different screens in multimonitor setup (on kf5/qt5/qt6 vcl + wayland)
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141578
             + not tagged as a regression

         + LibreOffice Calc ODS files saved with passwords under 7.6.4 (X86_64) cannot be opened in 24.2.0.3 (X86_64) (Windows 7)
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159512
             + Fixed. Thanks to M. Stahl

         + Manual line break forces automatic Wrap Text
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159690
             + bisected to Paris

* QA stats (Stéphane)
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +97  +6 (-88) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        QA Administrators       11
        Buovjaga                9
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 5
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 5
        Heiko Tietze            4
        Julien Nabet            4
        Laurent Balland         4
        Michael Stahl (allotropia) 4
        Mike Kaganski           3
        V Stuart Foote          3

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 4
        lvm                     4
        Adalbert Hanßen         3
        Oliver Specht (CIB)     3
        Olivier Hallot          3
        Aron Budea              2
        Buovjaga                2
        Mukul Gupta             2
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2
        Telesto                 2

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        Kelemen, Gabor          5
        Balland-Poirier, Laurent 4
        Kaganski, Mike          3
        Michael Stahl           3
        Balazs Varga            1
        Baole Fang              1
        Caolán McNamara         1
        Grandin, Noel           1
        Henschel, Regina        1
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      1

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      20
        Stéphane Guillou        11
        m.a.riosv               5
        *UNKNOWN*               4
        Aron Budea              3
        Heiko Tietze            3
        Kaganski, Mike          3
        Raal                    3
        Xisco Fauli             3
        Ady                     2


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       4
         Aron Budea             3
         Xisco Fauli            3
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
         Kevin Suo              2
         Justin Luth            1
         Kaganski, Mike         1
         Telesto                1


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       5
         Aron Budea             3
         Xisco Fauli            3
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
         Bogdan B               1
         Justin Luth            1
         Telesto                1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1258(+1) bugs open of 13200(+6) total 22(+0) high prio.

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       3
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
         Ady                    1
         Bogdan B               1
         Gerald Pfeifer         1
         Justin Luth            1
         Raal                   1
         Nabet, Julien          1
         Telesto                1
         Vernon, Stuart Foote   1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 15(+1)
      LibreOffice   - 2(+0)
      Calc          - 1(-1)
      Impress       - 1(+0)
      Printing and PDF export - 1(+0)
      UI            - 1(+0)

    by OS:
      All           - 16(+0)
      Linux         - 5(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 1(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 455(+0)
      Calc                     - 230(-1)
      Impress                  - 128(-2)
      LibreOffice              - 56(+2)
      Crashes                  - 52(+0)
      Draw                     - 50(+0)
      Writer: docx filter      - 45(+0)
      Base                     - 38(+0)
      Borders                  - 35(+0)
      UI                       - 35(-1)
      Writer: perf             - 34(+0)
      Writer: other filter     - 31(+0)
      Printing and PDF export  - 26(+0)
      Chart                    - 23(+0)
      RTL                      - 23(+0)
      filters and storage      - 23(+2)
      BASIC                    - 19(+0)
      Writer: doc filter       - 16(+0)
      graphics stack           - 11(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 7(+0)
      framework                - 3(+0)
      Extensions               - 2(+0)
      sdk                      - 2(+0)
      Linguistic               - 1(+0)


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