<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> On 28/12/10 12:54, Philipp Weissenbacher wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:AANLkTik9LxjL7RSAGJFWtkO91War6QND+7+NnP29ezUc@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <pre wrap="">But I didn't know about that OOo bug. I'll need to learn styles, but yes, > *me* learning styles is totally useless when it's *someone* *else* who's > messed up *their* document (and expects me to fix it for them). </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">I think that's *exactly* *the* use case: fixing broken formatting. </pre> </blockquote> Actually, no it isn't. It's a very useful use case, when I'm helping other people ... But when *I* am creating a document in WordPerfect I nearly always have reveal codes switched on. I *think* in markup mode, and the whole point of reveal codes is it is a markup window that shows me what's going on. As has been said, it keeps me in touch with what formatting is active (is the cursor *in*side or *out*side the style selection for example :-) I actually use reveal codes as my main working window, not the wysiwyg one. (And whether reveal codes is active actually affects the functioning of the wysiwyg window :-) My wife is making calendars with pictures and tables - I find it incredibly useful to keep track of the anchors that hold the pictures ... Oh - and something Word can't do, dunno about Writer ... what on earth do you do when you have two formatting objects one on top of the other? How do you "click on the object"? It's easy to get like that with text over/under a picture or stuff like that, but I said something Word couldn't do ... WordPerfect has the "advance" typesetting command which places the cursor anywhere you like on the *current* page - so you can type a load of text then move the cursor back and overtype. Word has allegedly the same, but it only moves downwards so if you tell it to move up it will move to that position on the next page. And while I don't use the feature very much, I use it for letters. Place my address top right, then go back to left margin, place cursor two inches down the page, and start typing the recipient's address. Yes there are other ways of doing it but that's exactly the way the makes sense to a typist. The other use case I've mentioned is teaching. Showing people what's going on "under the bonnet". But I think the problem you have is that you think differently. WordPerfect was aimed at the expert typist. Word was aimed at the two-fingered hunt-n-peck'er. A lot of people hated reveal codes, but a lot of people loved it. And until you have a EDITing markup window, you won't get the WordPerfect fanatics to move across. Because the Word/Writer way of thinking is just plain *ALIEN* to people like me ... :-) I *HATE* the Word interface. And Writer (although I don't know it that well) seems too similar for comfort :-( Oh - that reminds me of something I came across ages ago when someone was comparing Word and WordPerfect - they said "in WordPerfect, you tell it what formatting you want as you go, and it comes out pretty much as you want. In Word, you type the text in and then go back and lay it out." I would say, though, if all you know of WordPerfect is from v9/2000 onwards, that got rewritten as a Windows program by Corel and is badly corrupted by the Windows/Word way of thinking :-( Cheers, Wol </body> </html>