<html> <body> Hi Lior, All, At 18:13 31-10-2011, Lior Kaplan wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Christophe Strobbe <<a href="mailto:christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be"> christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be</a>> wrote: <dl> <dd>Hi, <dd>At 16:48 31-10-2011, Jan Holesovsky wrote: <dl> <dd>(...) <dd>UX guys - please have a look at Lior's suggestion; for a screenshot of <dd>what he means, see his original mail in the ML archive: <dd> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-October/019944.html"> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-October/019944.html</a> </dl> <dd>Just to make sure that everyone involved in the discussion knows how to use this feature: <dd>1. Create a table; set "text direction" to "right-to-left (vertical)" <dd>2. Enter some Chinese (or Japanese) text into the table. (In my case, the text appeared rotated.) <dd>3. Change the font to one that was developed for Chinese (or Japanese, as the case may be) text. <dd>You will now see the characters in vertical columns that should be read right-to-left. </dl> Just a small notice - although the option says "right to left (vertical)", it only changes the horizontal/vertical part. The text directionality is kept as is (usually left to right), which causes the text to be written top to bottom (that is LRT rotates 90 clock wise). </blockquote> Another issue: when you select the table again and go to Table Properties, the text direction value appears empty instead of showing the value "Right-to-left (vertical)". You can set this value as many times as you want, when you reopen the Table Properties dialog, you always get an empty value for "Text direction". Best regards, Christophe <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dl> <dd>So "text direction" is about horizontal vs vertical (i.e. vertical, then right-to-left), rather than the direction of the writing system (left-to-right vs right-to-left/bidirectional). <dd>I have attached a sample document and a screenshot to this mail. The text below the table is identical to the text inside the table - in fact I copied it from the table. Also notice the change in quotation marks and the direction of "2012". <dd>(See also this Wordpad screenshot from Wikipedia: <<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wordpad_vertical_text_support.png"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wordpad_vertical_text_support.png</a> >.) <dd>Best regards, <dd>Christophe <dl> <dd>mainly: <dd> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/attachment-0001.png"> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/attachment-0001.png</a> <dd> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/attachment-0002.obj" eudora="autourl"> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/attachment-0002.obj</a> <dd>How does that sound? <dd>Thank you, <dd>Kendy <dd>On 2011-10-31 at 17:03 +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: <dd>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Christian Lohmaier <lohmaier <dd>> +<a href="mailto:libreoffice@googlemail.com"> libreoffice@googlemail.com</a>> wrote: <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Hi Lior, *, <dd>> <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Lior Kaplan <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  <<a href="mailto:kaplanlior@gmail.com">kaplanlior@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > In my RTL bugs talk during the conference, I showed a weird <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  option in the <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > tables options -> text flow tab which refers to RTL text as <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  vertical <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > (guessing a feature for Japanese). See attached screen shot. <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > I'm attaching to patches to fix this: <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  > 1. A string change (trivial). <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  But that change doesn't improve anything at all. I immediately <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  understand what the difference between "left-to-right" and <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  "right-to-left (vertical)" means, but what the heck is <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  "horizontal"? <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  that could also be right-to-left, and more importantly: <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  Vertical could <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  also be left-to-right written vertically. <dd>> <dd>> These options doesn't touch the text directionality (RTL/LTR) but only <dd>> decide whether it goes horizontally or vertically. <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  So I don't see any benefit in changing those. (on the <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  contrary, it <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  would replace clear labels with "need to try them to figure <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  out what <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  they do" ones. <dd>> <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  As for "Text direction" vs "Text orientation" - I don't really <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  care, <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  although I'd associate left-aligned vs right-aligned more with <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  orientation, and the overall writing layout with direction, <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  but then <dd>> Ā  Ā  Ā  Ā  again I'm not a native speaker... <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> I've changed this text for two reason: <dd>> 1. To diffrenciate from the "Text direction" on the table tab (the <dd>> previous tab in the same window). There the options are RTL and LTR <dd>> which is right. <dd>> 2. To use the same terminology as other word processing software. <dd>> <dd>> I hope this better explains the reasons for the patch. <dd>> <dd>> Kaplan </dl> <dd>-- <dd>Christophe Strobbe </blockquote> </dl> <x-sigsep></x-sigsep> -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 <a href="http://www.docarch.be/" eudora="autourl"> http://www.docarch.be/ </a>Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Open source for accessibility: results from the AEGIS project <a href="http://www.aegis-project.eu/" eudora="autourl"> www.aegis-project.eu</a> --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other "social networks". You may have agreed to their "privacy policy", but I haven't. </body> </html>