<html dir="ltr"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <style id="owaParaStyle" type="text/css">P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}</style> </head> <body ocsi="0" fpstyle="1"> <div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2">To<font size="2">m,<br> <font size="2"><font size="2"><br> <font size="2">Probably</font>, I<font size="2">'m pretty<font size="2"> certain this <font size="2">issue has actually been with us <font size="2">since</font> <font size="2"> t</font>he Java JRE 1.6 -> JRE 1.7 cross</font></font></font></font></font>over. It impac<font size="2">ts usability <font size="2">with AT </font>because</font> large segments of the GUI<font size="2"> are no longer functional with<font size="2"> screen and brail read<font size="2">ers under </font></font>JRE 1.7's Java Accessibility API<font size="2"> even though the JAB is appears to be delivering identical roles and obejcts.</font><br> <br> <font size="2"><font size="2">For now, r</font>olling back to a JRE 1.6 and<font size="2"> its more functional JAAPI may be the best suggestion for LibreOffice and <font size="2">Apache OpenOffice users in need of AT. The Java dependency may eventually be dropped, depending on where things go with <font size="2">BASE and HSQLDB <font size="2">and <font size="2">implementing a</font> non-Java </font>accessibility bridge <font size="2">based AT for Windows, i<font size="2">.e.an I<font size="2">Accessible2 implement<font size="2">ation</font> or possibl<font size="2">y</font> an<font size="2"> </font>AT<font size="2">-SPI2 port.</font></font></font></font></font><br> <br> <font size="2"><font size="2">Question beside <font size="2">the workaround of using a JRE 1.6<font size="2">, is if there is much developer <font size="2">and TDF Board desire to repair AT <font size="2">and <font size="2"> possibl<font size="2">y BASE </font></font>for use with </font>JRE 1.7 and a<font size="2"> more current </font>HSQLDB build.</font></font></font></font></font><br> <br> <font size="2">Stuart</font><br> </font></font></font></font></font></font><br> <div style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000000; font-size: 16px"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF480204"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Tom Davies [tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:45 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org<br> <b>Cc:</b> V Stuart Foote<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?<br> </font><br> </div> <div></div> <div> <div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <div>Hi :)</div> <div>Should the devs be made aware of problems with the newer release of Java (again)? <br> </div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color:transparent; font-style:normal"> <br> </div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color:transparent; font-style:normal"> Each new release of Java creates more problems and each is soon found to have more security issues so another new one needs to be released quickly. It's a 3rd party product that is difficult to track. <br> <span></span></div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color:transparent; font-style:normal"> <br> <span></span></div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color:transparent; font-style:normal"> Regards from</div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color:transparent; font-style:normal"> Tom :) <br> <span></span></div> <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color:transparent; font-style:normal"> <span></span></div> <div><br> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255); margin-left:5px; margin-top:5px; padding-left:5px"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> accessibility@global.libreoffice.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:13<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?<br> </font></div> <br> Simon,<br> <br> There appears to be a change in the JRE 1.7 and JAB 2.0.3 that is reducing<br> the fidelity of the Java Accessibility API rendering of both LibreOffice and<br> OpenOffice. This is affecting both NVDA and Jaws screen readers.<br> <br> I've been unable to find any Oracle documentation on API changes from the<br> 2.02 to 2.03 JAB or JAAPI, but something is definitely changed. Reviewing<br> the JAB delivered document structure with JavaMonkey shows the 2.02<br> rendering to be identical with the 2.0.3 rendering--but with JRE 1.7 its<br> JAAPI appears to process the result differently and does not fully render<br> the results in either screen reader.<br> <br> Are you able to roll back to JRE 1.6 and a JAB 2.0.2 installation and<br> retest the issues you've had with LibreOffice 3.6.4? And otherwise asses AT<br> usability with the earlier Java runtimes?<br> <br> Downloads needed to roll back are here:<br> <br> JRE 1.6u38<br> <<a href="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html" target="_blank">http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html</a>> <br> JWin.exe installer for JAB 2.0.2 <<a href="http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe" target="_blank">http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe</a>> <br> <br> <br> Stuart<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> View this message in context: <a href="http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-where-s-the-accessibility-tp4023600p4026427.html" target="_blank"> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-where-s-the-accessibility-tp4023600p4026427.html</a><br> Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com.<br> <br> -- <br> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+<a href="mailto:help@global.libreoffice.org" target="_blank">help@global.libreoffice.org</a><br> Problems? <a href="http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/" target="_blank"> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/</a><br> Posting guidelines + more: <a href="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette" target="_blank"> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette</a><br> List archive: <a href="http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/" target="_blank"> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/</a><br> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted<br> <br> <br> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>