<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Can Libreoffice have more integration for Bigdata and Hadoop? </div>Please refer following link of MS Excel integration. We want to use Libreoffice. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op_5MmG7hIw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op_5MmG7hIw</a> </div>-Ravi </div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, <<a href="mailto:libreoffice-request@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">libreoffice-request@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send LibreOffice mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:libreoffice-request@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice-request@lists.freedesktop.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:libreoffice-owner@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice-owner@lists.freedesktop.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LibreOffice digest..." Today's Topics: 1. is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License dead ? (Caol?n McNamara) 2. OfficeMenuBar no longer takes private menu's in StartModule (Fernand Vanrie) 3. LibreOffice Gerrit News for core on 2014-03-14 (<a href="mailto:gerrit@libreoffice.org">gerrit@libreoffice.org</a>) 4. Document Freedom Day 2014 @Taiwan (imacat) 5. Re: is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License dead ? (Stephan Bergmann) 6. Re: OfficeMenuBar no longer takes private menu's in StartModule (Stephan Bergmann) 7. Bad empty file at <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>> (Stephan Bergmann) 8. spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Caol?n McNamara) 9. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Alex Thurgood) 10. Re: is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License dead ? (Caol?n McNamara) 11. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Khaled Hosny) 12. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Caol?n McNamara) 13. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Alex Thurgood) 14. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Khaled Hosny) 15. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Alex Thurgood) 16. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Caol?n McNamara) 17. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Alex Thurgood) 18. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Alex Thurgood) 19. Manmeet Singh license statement (Manmeet Singh) 20. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Caol?n McNamara) 21. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Rob Snelders) 22. Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? (Cor Nouws) 23. (Manas Joshi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:05:25 +0000 From: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>> To: LibreOffice Dev List <<a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Cc: Stephan Bergmann <<a href="mailto:sbergman@redhat.com">sbergman@redhat.com</a>> Subject: is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License dead ? Message-ID: <1394744725.11727.14.camel@vain.rhgalway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License something dead that can be removed ? I don't seem to see any use of it anywhere in our code and I don't see it documented anywhere for use by extensions or anything. (it has a old-school .src dialog in it that I want to get rid of) C. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:07:40 +0100 From: Fernand Vanrie <<a href="mailto:sos@pmgroup.be">sos@pmgroup.be</a>> To: <a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: OfficeMenuBar no longer takes private menu's in StartModule Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:53221E1C.20106@pmgroup.be">53221E1C.20106@pmgroup.be</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed With 4.2 (Windows) Private Extensions menu's are no longer visible in the StartModule Private Toolbars are still visible in the StartModule <node oor:name="OfficeMenuBar"> <node oor:name="MyPrivateMenu.OfficeMenuBar" oor:op="replace"> <prop oor:name="Context" oor:type="xs:string"> <value>com.sun.star.frame.StartModule,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.TextReportDesign,com.sun.star.text.WebDocument,com.sun.star.xforms.XMLFormDocument,com.sun.star.text.GlobalDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.FormDesign,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,com.sun.star.drawing.DrawingDocument,com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.OfficeDatabaseDocument</value> </prop> this menu shows in the different modules but "com.sun.star.frame.StartModule" is sillently ignored <node oor:name="MyPrivate Toolbar.OfficeToolBar" oor:op="replace"> <node oor:name="m001" oor:op="replace"> <prop oor:name="Context" oor:type="xs:string"> <value>com.sun.star.frame.StartModule,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.TextReportDesign,com.sun.star.text.WebDocument,com.sun.star.xforms.XMLFormDocument,com.sun.star.text.GlobalDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.FormDesign,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,com.sun.star.drawing.DrawingDocument,com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.OfficeDatabaseDocument</value> </prop> here the Menubar is showed in the startModule is it forbidden to show private Menu's in the start Module ? Thanks for any hint ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 06:00:01 -0000 From: <a href="mailto:gerrit@libreoffice.org">gerrit@libreoffice.org</a> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Cc: <a href="mailto:qa@fr.libreoffice.org">qa@fr.libreoffice.org</a> Subject: LibreOffice Gerrit News for core on 2014-03-14 Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20140314060115.A37D84C02C7@gerrit.libreoffice.org">20140314060115.A37D84C02C7@gerrit.libreoffice.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Moin! * Open changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours: ~~~~ First time contributors doing great things! ~~~~ + fdo#63154 Remove some solar.h references in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8582" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8582</a> from Alexandre Vicenzi about module accessibility, editeng, include, sd + fdo#76122: File Corruption-doc contains nested tables with Word Art in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8575" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8575</a> from Yogesh Bharate about module sw + fdo#64290 UI: count selected rows and columns in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8489" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8489</a> from Sujay m about module officecfg, sc + Cleaned code and comments in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8569" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8569</a> from Matteo Campanelli about module starmath + fdo#76098 ContentType for .xlsm external data file is wrong in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8572" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8572</a> from Ravindra Vidhate about module sw + Added files in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8566" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8566</a> from Matteo Campanelli about module starmath + Added code for keeping ratio and having right positioning in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8568" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8568</a> from Matteo Campanelli about module starmath + Created behavior for SmDynIntegralNode in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8567" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8567</a> from Matteo Campanelli about module starmath + Created Dynamic Integral Symbols class in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8565" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8565</a> from Matteo Campanelli about module starmath ~~~~ End of freshness ~~~~ + fdo#74702 Return true if graphics is set, cleanup unused variables in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8581" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8581</a> from Chris Sherlock about module vcl + fdo#74775: Preseved Citation after round trip. in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8473" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8473</a> from Rohit Deshmukh about module sw, writerfilter + Remove visual noise from ios in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8274" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8274</a> from Alexander Wilms about module ios * Merged changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours: + fdo#76078: LO Crashes while saving the docx file containing only opening in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8561" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8561</a> from Dinesh Patil + fdo#74772 : File Corruption - Issue related to List Bullet Numbering in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8539" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8539</a> from Rajashri Udhoji * Abandoned changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours: None * Open changes needing tweaks, but being untouched for more than a week: + Refactored swooxmlexport tests cases. Added function to check contents. in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8390" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8390</a> from Nikhil Walvekar + FDO#74886: Data labels are not preserved for Column Chart in RT file in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8098" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8098</a> from Umesh Kadam + sal: use posix_memalign only if it's available in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8405" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8405</a> from Douglas Mencken + fdo#71984 fix first line indentation in footnotes for MS Word documents in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8160" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/8160</a> from Andras Timar + fd0#74150:Numbered list getting display after RT -table-within-table-1.do in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7767" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7767</a> from Rajashri Udhoji + Lots of changes to Tango icons in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7987" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7987</a> from Miroslav Mazel + sw/docx export: fix handling of document with header and section(s) in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6248" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6248</a> from Pierre-Eric Pelloux-Prayer + fdo#51525 Fix duplicate "Paste Special" entries in Calc. in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7784" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7784</a> from Andrzej Hunt + fdo#72661: Check ?Hyphenation active? automatically in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7291" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7291</a> from Jiwoong Youn + sa/l add release_assert() and assert that stay even in release code in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7625" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7625</a> from Norbert Thiebaud + fdo#69407: On transparent frames, shadows are painted in foreground. in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7070" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7070</a> from Mohamed-Ali BEN MANSOUR + add a header to provide posix compatible wrapper for platform lacking in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6837" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6837</a> from Norbert Thiebaud + WIP fdo#72987 Use firebird backup format for .odb in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7299" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/7299</a> from Andrzej Hunt + sw/export docx: add unit test for document with header and section(s) in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6249" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6249</a> from Pierre-Eric Pelloux-Prayer + fix for exporting of text watermark to DOCX in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5568" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5568</a> from Adam CloudOn + WIP: fdo#33980 Preserve selection across all slide sorters. in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6633" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6633</a> from Andrzej Hunt + startcenter: Make SC open faster by timeouting thumbnails in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6102" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6102</a> from Krisztian Pinter + Simplify oslThreadIdentifier on Linux 32. in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5553" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5553</a> from Arnaud Versini + fdo#36791 : fix for import of greeting card in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/4240" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/4240</a> from Adam CloudOn + Positional Tab additions in <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5387" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5387</a> from Adam CloudOn Best, Your friendly LibreOffice Gerrit Digest Mailer Note: The bot generating this message can be found and improved here: <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=dev-tools.git;a=blob;f=gerritbot/send-daily-digest" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=dev-tools.git;a=blob;f=gerritbot/send-daily-digest</a> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:05:36 +0800 From: imacat <<a href="mailto:imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw">imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw</a>> To: LibreOffice Development <<a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Subject: Document Freedom Day 2014 @Taiwan Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5322B850.4000508@mail.imacat.idv.tw">5322B850.4000508@mail.imacat.idv.tw</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear all, We are holding the Document Freedom Day 2014 at Taiwan, on 2014/3/26(Wed). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <<a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20140314/2114b086/attachment-0001.pgp" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20140314/2114b086/attachment-0001.pgp</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:17:51 +0100 From: Stephan Bergmann <<a href="mailto:sbergman@redhat.com">sbergman@redhat.com</a>> To: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>> Cc: LibreOffice Dev List <<a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Subject: Re: is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License dead ? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5322BB2F.2020504@redhat.com">5322BB2F.2020504@redhat.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 03/13/2014 10:05 PM, Caol?n McNamara wrote: > Is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License something dead that can be > removed ? I don't seem to see any use of it anywhere in our code and I > don't see it documented anywhere for use by extensions or anything. > > (it has a old-school .src dialog in it that I want to get rid of) As dead as it gets, I'd say---apparently for 10 years now. (The Extension Mgr has its own desktop/source/deployment/gui/license_dialog.hxx for displaying any extension licenses.) Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:24:41 +0100 From: Stephan Bergmann <<a href="mailto:sbergman@redhat.com">sbergman@redhat.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: OfficeMenuBar no longer takes private menu's in StartModule Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5322CAD9.3030802@redhat.com">5322CAD9.3030802@redhat.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 03/13/2014 10:07 PM, Fernand Vanrie wrote: > With 4.2 (Windows) > > Private Extensions menu's are no longer visible in the StartModule > Private Toolbars are still visible in the StartModule > > <node oor:name="OfficeMenuBar"> > <node oor:name="MyPrivateMenu.OfficeMenuBar" oor:op="replace"> > <prop oor:name="Context" oor:type="xs:string"> > <value>com.sun.star.frame.StartModule,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.TextReportDesign,com.sun.star.text.WebDocument,com.sun.star.xforms.XMLFormDocument,com.sun.star.text.GlobalDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.FormDesign,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,com.sun.star.drawing.DrawingDocument,com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument,com.sun.star.sdb.OfficeDatabaseDocument</value> > > </prop> > > this menu shows in the different modules but > "com.sun.star.frame.StartModule" is sillently ignored [...] > is it forbidden to show private Menu's in the start Module ? I would rather assume this is an unintended regression with the new start center code. Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:31:09 +0100 From: Stephan Bergmann <<a href="mailto:sbergman@redhat.com">sbergman@redhat.com</a>> To: libreoffice-dev <<a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Subject: Bad empty file at <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5322DA6D.5050609@redhat.com">5322DA6D.5050609@redhat.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Quoting <<a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65795#c7" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65795#c7</a>> on "Syntax error in Extension Manager when trying to update": "The reason [for the syntax error] is that <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>> references a completely empty file. That URL is the value of the ExtensionUpdateURL property in the version ini file. It is used by getDefaultUpdateInfos (desktop/source/deployment/misc/dp_update.cxx) to try and obtain 'backup' update information from one central place for all those extensions that fail to provide their own update information. The current <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>> URL is used since <<a href="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=52456c0acaaebe1c85d07c90a94a82c9efa4850f" target="_blank">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=52456c0acaaebe1c85d07c90a94a82c9efa4850f</a>> 'Switch all urls from TDF to LibreOffice.' The prior, OOo-specific URL <<a href="http://updateexte.services.openoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.services.openoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>> still delivers a file starting with > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> > <feed xmlns="<a href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom</a>" xml:lang="en-US"> > <title>Extension Update Feed</title> > <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="<a href="http://extensions.openoffice.org" target="_blank">http://extensions.openoffice.org</a>"/> > <updated>2013-03-18T12:03:22+00:00</updated> "I have no idea who is responsible for the empty file at <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>>. "I see three options to fix this: "1 Fix the file at <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>> to conform to the expected syntax (even if it would not contain any true payload yet, but could do so in the future). That would fix this issue even for already released versions of LO. "2 Give the ExtensionUpdateURL property in the version ini file an empty value. That would not fix this issue for already released versions of LO, and for future versions of LO would disable the (currently unused) feature of providing such central 'backup' extension update information (until we change the value back in a later release). "3 Remove the (currently unused) feature of providing such central 'backup' extension update information completely from the code. That would not fix this issue for already released versions of LO. "I favour option 1 and will see to get hold of somebody to fix the file at <<a href="http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update" target="_blank">http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update</a>>." So, who can fix that file (or propose a better fix)? Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:45:15 +0000 From: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Cc: Cor Nouws <<a href="mailto:oolst@nouenoff.nl">oolst@nouenoff.nl</a>> Subject: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <1394793915.11727.32.camel@vain.rhgalway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On (non-MacOSX) unix we have "spadmin" the printer administration tool. Over the years the amount of stuff it does has been reduced, e.g. it no longer admins fonts, that's done through fontconfig now. It now no longer provides a font-substitution tab page as that's redundant functionality now. It now no longer provides a route to migrate your archaic StarOffice printer configuration to the current one. So what's left: a) you can "connect a fax device" b) you can "connect a PDF converter" c) you can "add a printer" d) you can disable cups support I would like to simplify the situation to "we use cups" and remove spadmin and all its many associated dialogs and tabpages in favor of the system printer management software. So the question is if any part of spadmin is still useful? Is there anyone still configuring fax machines or using the other options there, and if so for what purpose ? The last time I tried to get rid of spadmin (in 2004) in Fedora there was push back because there were still people using fax machines. 10 years later, is this still the case ? If this is still a relevant use case then I can invest a little time in examining the fax-cups options out there and figure out how to correctly send the destination phone number to them and recommend that as the new fax support mechanism. C. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:31:50 +0100 From: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <lfupaj$3i4$<a href="mailto:1@ger.gmane.org">1@ger.gmane.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Le 14/03/2014 11:45, Caol?n McNamara a ?crit : Hi Caolan, Judging from the posts I have seen on the user list since LO came into existence, there are still some use cases where CUPS does not provide the required support and people need to be able to fall back to spadmin for printing. The fact that spadmin could be used to add Type1 PS fonts, which are no longer supported, if I understand correctly, has also been, and continues to be, an issue that crops up on the user list (and possibly also in BZ) for some people. The problem as I see it is that there are so many printers out there being used by LO users, some of them quite old now (yet tried and trusted, especially in business), for which CUPS support has been dropped or curbed over time, and it is handy to be able to pop in one's own PPD to just get the job done. >From my own experience, the switch to "CUPS ONLY" by default caused the loss of being able to print from two different trays in one document over the network, i.e. have page 1 print out on header paper in a first or manual tray, and then subsequent pages from the follow-on paper tray. This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, including on Mac OSX. I have not yet found a way to this with CUPS, having been reduced to separate printing steps for each set of pages. I have no idea whether such use cases are still representative of the mainstream usage of LO, but it is certainly around in businesses with legacy printers that are still functioning. I have used HP LJs (4050n, 2500dtn, Apple LaserWriter) in business scenarii in the past with OOo and the ability to fiddle with the PPD to get things working right was the saving grace on many occasion. Alex ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:06:09 +0000 From: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>> To: Stephan Bergmann <<a href="mailto:sbergman@redhat.com">sbergman@redhat.com</a>> Cc: LibreOffice Dev List <<a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Subject: Re: is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License dead ? Message-ID: <1394798769.11727.33.camel@vain.rhgalway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 09:17 +0100, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > On 03/13/2014 10:05 PM, Caol?n McNamara wrote: > > Is com.sun.star.comp.framework.License something dead that can be > > removed ? I don't seem to see any use of it anywhere in our code and I > > don't see it documented anywhere for use by extensions or anything. > > > > (it has a old-school .src dialog in it that I want to get rid of) > > As dead as it gets, I'd say---apparently for 10 years now. (The > Extension Mgr has its own > desktop/source/deployment/gui/license_dialog.hxx for displaying any > extension licenses.) Gone now. C. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:18:25 +0200 From: Khaled Hosny <<a href="mailto:khaledhosny@eglug.org">khaledhosny@eglug.org</a>> To: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <20140314121825.GA9245@khaled-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:31:50PM +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Le 14/03/2014 11:45, Caol?n McNamara a ?crit : > > Hi Caolan, > > Judging from the posts I have seen on the user list since LO came into > existence, there are still some use cases where CUPS does not provide > the required support and people need to be able to fall back to spadmin > for printing. So the question is, how other applications are handled? Do those people print exclusively using LibreOffice? (I always export to PDF and print from the PDF viewer myself as I find printing from LibreOffice to be too mysterious for my limited understanding of how printers work.) Regards, Khaled ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:40:46 +0000 From: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>> To: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <1394800846.11727.46.camel@vain.rhgalway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 12:31 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: > The fact that spadmin could be used to add Type1 PS fonts, which are no > longer supported, if I understand correctly, has also been, and > continues to be, an issue that crops up on the user list (and possibly > also in BZ) for some people. Have you a link to an example because type 1 fonts "just work", there was no removal of support for those. The "add fonts" ability of spadmin was removed in 2012 and prior to that was only visible if your system didn't support fontconfig which is a practically impossible situation for many years now so I'd like to understand that comment a little more. > This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, > including on Mac OSX. I'm a little baffled, spadmin on MacOSX ?, what version included spadmin on MacOSX ? We certainly don't do it now. If there are cases where fiddling with the ppd manually and adding that via spadmin worked, would not the same solution work by using the system tools to set the replacement ppd for the printer ? e.g. using system-config-printer under Fedora and "provide PPD file" C. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:37:06 +0100 From: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <lfv0lf$tb9$<a href="mailto:1@ger.gmane.org">1@ger.gmane.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Le 14/03/2014 13:40, Caol?n McNamara a ?crit : > Have you a link to an example because type 1 fonts "just work", there > was no removal of support for those. The "add fonts" ability of spadmin > was removed in 2012 and prior to that was only visible if your system > didn't support fontconfig which is a practically impossible situation > for many years now so I'd like to understand that comment a little more. Not off-hand, I'd have to trawl through the LO user mailing list - the problems might have been linked to a particular OS or particular Type1 fonts, I don't remember exactly now. > >> This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, >> including on Mac OSX. > > I'm a little baffled, spadmin on MacOSX ?, what version included spadmin > on MacOSX ? We certainly don't do it now. Yes, I wasn't talking about LO, but during OOo times, before the switch to CUPS printing, this was possible. > > If there are cases where fiddling with the ppd manually and adding that > via spadmin worked, would not the same solution work by using the system > tools to set the replacement ppd for the printer ? e.g. using > system-config-printer under Fedora and "provide PPD file" > Unfortunately, I have no idea. My comments were made not to discourage you from going ahead with your plan, just to relate what I had seen on the LO mailing list and my own previous experience of before/after the switch to CUPS printing, both on Linux and OSX. Questions / bugs about PS Type1 support : <a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2631/adobe-postscript-type-1-font-not-displaying-in-libreoffice-3532-mac/" target="_blank">http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2631/adobe-postscript-type-1-font-not-displaying-in-libreoffice-3532-mac/</a> <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37453" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37453</a> <a href="http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg05099.html" target="_blank">http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg05099.html</a> <a href="https://forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1197" target="_blank">https://forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1197</a> <a href="http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/6045-type-1-fonts-not-seen-by-libreoffice-36-bodhi-201/page__view__findpost__p__56029" target="_blank">http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/6045-type-1-fonts-not-seen-by-libreoffice-36-bodhi-201/page__view__findpost__p__56029</a> The last one, in particular (seocnd to last comment), provides a workaround for creating AFM/PFM files on Linux, but note that this didn't used to be a requirement, before the switch to CUPS printing was made - previously, Type1 fonts were recognized in OOo "automagically". Alex ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:46:18 +0200 From: Khaled Hosny <<a href="mailto:khaledhosny@eglug.org">khaledhosny@eglug.org</a>> To: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <20140314134618.GA12636@khaled-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 02:37:06PM +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: > The last one, in particular (seocnd to last comment), provides a > workaround for creating AFM/PFM files on Linux, but note that this > didn't used to be a requirement, before the switch to CUPS printing was > made - previously, Type1 fonts were recognized in OOo "automagically". The code that requires AFM files for Type1 fonts have been there since 2001 with the introduction of PostSctipt printing in OpenOffice, so I fail to see how it would have worked differently in the bast. (I don?t really think we need the info contained in the AFM files, though, but someone has to trace the code to verify this.) Regards Khaled ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:56:33 +0100 From: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <lfv1pu$ajp$<a href="mailto:1@ger.gmane.org">1@ger.gmane.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Le 14/03/2014 11:45, Caol?n McNamara a ?crit : We might want to get rid of this page too at the same time : <a href="https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Setting_up_Printer_and_Fax_Under_UNIX_Based_Platforms" target="_blank">https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Setting_up_Printer_and_Fax_Under_UNIX_Based_Platforms</a> Alex ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:04:50 +0000 From: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>> To: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <1394805890.11727.55.camel@vain.rhgalway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 14:37 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Questions / bugs about PS Type1 support : > <a href="http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2631/adobe-postscript-type-1-font-not-displaying-in-libreoffice-3532-mac/" target="_blank">http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2631/adobe-postscript-type-1-font-not-displaying-in-libreoffice-3532-mac/</a> > <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37453" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37453</a> > <a href="http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg05099.html" target="_blank">http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg05099.html</a> > <a href="https://forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1197" target="_blank">https://forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1197</a> That block of reports seems to be about Type 1 fonts not being recognized under MacOSX. > <a href="http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/6045-type-1-fonts-not-seen-by-libreoffice-36-bodhi-201/page__view__findpost__p__56029" target="_blank">http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/6045-type-1-fonts-not-seen-by-libreoffice-36-bodhi-201/page__view__findpost__p__56029</a> This one is about Type 1 fonts under Linux not recognized without afms present and it seems a little uncertain if that's the MacOSX issue as well The old add-fonts stuff in spadmin wouldn't have had any effect on either of those two issues. > but note that this didn't used to be a requirement, before the switch > to CUPS printing was made - previously, Type1 fonts were recognized in > OOo "automagically". I don't see a connection between Type1 fonts not being recognized on MacOSX and CUPS printing. Either way spadmin wouldn't help. C. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:06:10 +0100 From: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <lfv2bv$jbv$<a href="mailto:1@ger.gmane.org">1@ger.gmane.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Le 14/03/2014 14:37, Alex Thurgood a ?crit : Let me add to the list : <a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70184" target="_blank">https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70184</a> Alex ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:13:29 +0100 From: Alex Thurgood <<a href="mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com">alex.thurgood@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <lfv2pm$ppu$<a href="mailto:1@ger.gmane.org">1@ger.gmane.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Le 14/03/2014 14:37, Alex Thurgood a ?crit : Call me a killjoy, but this one looks related too : <a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38825" target="_blank">https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38825</a> The user here, printing on older business printers, had to configure a specific font directory containing only PS Type 1 fonts in order for the conversion to PDF would work in a way allowing him to print his documents. Alex ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:10:20 +0530 From: Manmeet Singh <<a href="mailto:gdm.manmeet@gmail.com">gdm.manmeet@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Manmeet Singh license statement Message-ID: <CABJK+K525udE+_-b5xkGF8d4Jt=<a href="mailto:TYkXzDAcqyKZYKG9jmF4ROA@mail.gmail.com">TYkXzDAcqyKZYKG9jmF4ROA@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All of my past & future contributions to LibreOffice may be licensed under the MPLv2/LGPLv3+ dual license. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1394809685.11727.63.camel@vain.rhgalway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 15:13 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Le 14/03/2014 14:37, Alex Thurgood a ?crit : > > Call me a killjoy, but this one looks related too : > > <a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38825" target="_blank">https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38825</a> > > The user here, printing on older business printers, had to configure a > specific font directory containing only PS Type 1 fonts in order for the > conversion to PDF would work in a way allowing him to print his documents. Again these don't have any connection to spadmin. Even when spadmin had the ability to add stuff into your font dirs it wouldn't have been able to be used to configure the dirs in the hacky way the reporter there used to workaround whatever the problem he had back then. C, ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:24:38 +0100 From: Rob Snelders <<a href="mailto:rob@ertai.nl">rob@ertai.nl</a>> To: <a href="mailto:libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org">libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7be84e2e93b3ba95341d986423044160@mail.bommelnetworks.net">7be84e2e93b3ba95341d986423044160@mail.bommelnetworks.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Hi All, From my last job in retail-supplying I know a lot of Fax is still used in countries like Belgium, UK and a lot of African countries. We wheren't communicating directly between the faxes and libreoffice, but I wouldn't say that Fax isn't used anymore. Also in the legal the Fax is still used as a faxed document is legal in some countries but via email/internet isn't. -- Greetings, Rob Snelders Caol?n McNamara schreef op 14-03-2014 13:40: > On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 12:31 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: >> The fact that spadmin could be used to add Type1 PS fonts, which are >> no >> longer supported, if I understand correctly, has also been, and >> continues to be, an issue that crops up on the user list (and possibly >> also in BZ) for some people. > > Have you a link to an example because type 1 fonts "just work", there > was no removal of support for those. The "add fonts" ability of spadmin > was removed in 2012 and prior to that was only visible if your system > didn't support fontconfig which is a practically impossible situation > for many years now so I'd like to understand that comment a little > more. > >> This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, >> including on Mac OSX. > > I'm a little baffled, spadmin on MacOSX ?, what version included > spadmin > on MacOSX ? We certainly don't do it now. > > If there are cases where fiddling with the ppd manually and adding that > via spadmin worked, would not the same solution work by using the > system > tools to set the replacement ppd for the printer ? e.g. using > system-config-printer under Fedora and "provide PPD file" > > C. > > _______________________________________________ > LibreOffice mailing list > <a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice</a> ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:15:58 +0100 From: Cor Nouws <<a href="mailto:oolst@nouenoff.nl">oolst@nouenoff.nl</a>> To: Caol?n McNamara <<a href="mailto:caolanm@redhat.com">caolanm@redhat.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Subject: Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ? Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:53230F1E.6080703@nouenoff.nl">53230F1E.6080703@nouenoff.nl</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Caol?n, Caol?n McNamara wrote (14-03-14 11:45) > So the question is if any part of > spadmin is still useful? Is there anyone still configuring fax machines > or using the other options there, and if so for what purpose ? I would not be surprised.. but will ask some contacts to be more sure (for as far as my network is concerned). thanks for asking, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger <a href="http://nl.libreoffice.org" target="_blank">http://nl.libreoffice.org</a> - volunteer <a href="http://www.libreoffice.org" target="_blank">http://www.libreoffice.org</a> - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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