<div dir="ltr">Sorry I couldn't join today.</div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Michael Meeks <<a href="mailto:michael.meeks@collabora.com" target="_blank">michael.meeks@collabora.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">* Present: + Jacobo, Kendy, Michael M, Ptyl, Miklos, Stephan, Muthu, Jan-Marek Andras, Robinson, Norbert * Completed Action Items: + merge the web plugin patch after the conference (Stephan) [ done and in the 4.4 release notes ] + massage plan wrt. FOSDEM dev-rooms (Thorsten) [ working around a joint dev-room ] * Pending Action Items: + Ask Bjoern to do a survey on the wrench icons (Mirek) + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern) + open-source newer Synezip tests (Umesh) [ Plan to run these on a server on the cloud service, announce the results in the ESC meeting. ] + provide wiki links for new processes for design interation (Mirek) + poke Alex wrt. off-site backup for TDF services (Cloph) * Release Engineering update (Robinson) + 4.3.2 RC1 - status + currently staged, and has been announced, pushing to mirrors + following the steps, but the builds worked. + 4.2.7 - due in week 40 - 29th Sept freeze. + Android Remote * Crashtest update (Miklos) + a run during the conference, detected some writerfilter issues, now mostly fixed. + run interrupted by security update / re-boot + VM state not preserved across re-boots + new-run ongoing - will be announced on list. * New baseline aka C++11 (Jan-Marek) + Thread start: <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-September/063326.html" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-September/063326.html</a> + Previous baseline: gcc 4.1.2 (2007-02-13) + Current baseline: at least gcc 4.8.1 (2013-05-31) + There was additional discussion on IRC (2014-09-18) + There had been previous discussions in May 2014 ESC calls + Tinderboxes (TBs) now based on RH 5 + RH Developer Toolset 2.x + "Official" baseline announced as gcc 4.7 + "Official" announcement - you'll need gcc 4.7+ to compile LO 4.4 + LOconf14 talks regarding C++11 - I didn't get the fact the introduction is due for LO 4.4 + And the TBs moved the compiler / build tool baseline actually to gcc 4.8[.0] (release: 2013-03-22) - TBs actually run 4.8.n (n > 0) - Basically drops support for all distros > 2 years old - Ubuntu 12.04 has gcc 4.6 - I know there are PPAs - <a href="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa</a> Just contains offical release toolchains - no updates! - <a href="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test</a> Unsupported (@see Workarounds) and not up to date with any baseline - I know there is an unsupported 4.7.2 in precise-updates (universe) - Already had an incompatibility bug - <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11501/" target="_blank">https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11501/</a> + Since last week master requires gcc-4.7 (Stephan) + still works with gcc-4.6 - for now. + a bug introduced recently, fixed already thanks to Jan Marek + these things happen whatever the tinderboxes uses + just a function of the diverse compiler set we have. + Building master on old Ubuntu (Stephan) + building on 12.whatever - we broke that + for the TDF baseline builds, CentOS 5 - we use a devtools toolchain with a related compiler & binaries that run on the baseline - apparently not available for Ubuntu. + Old versions of distros / not compiling master (Stephan) + was not seen as an issue by the distro people. + master will only go into recent versions of distros. + so we have a 12.4 build problem, and need a solution for this. + If gcc-4.6 is needed - perhaps it works (Stephan) + we have to subset the C++11 features anyway (Kendy) + only feature missing in 4.6: delegating constructors (Stephan) + 'override' and 'final' - we have macros for them anyway. + possibly some std::library features not implemented in 4.7 + from the core-language, all that is missing is delegating constructors + happy with that (Jmux) + do we get enough new goodness then ? (Michael) + sure we get tons - lots of goodies. + clang use 4.7 as their bootstrap baseline + can we have a tinderbox running gcc-4.6 (Miklos) + without that, sooner or later someone will break it. AI: + setup a LiMux based tinderbox (Jmux) AI: + send Jmux some tinderbox pointers (Norbert) + some good slides from the conference on this (Jacobo) * Hackfests (Robinson) + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson) <a href="https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest" target="_blank">https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest</a> + October 26, 2014 + Bug-triaging/Intro-to-community event + Following SeaGL conference + definite interest, heard back from some professors from the security lab + want to meet Norbert and/or Kohei - why not go ? + Toulouse Hackfest ... + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th + more details: <a href="https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014" target="_blank">https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014</a> + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek): <a href="http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/" target="_blank">http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/</a> + jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming just show up etc. + November 21st-23rd, 2014 <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich</a> + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern) * Commit Access AI: + get Samuel Mehrbrot access again (Michael) * Opening up the ESC calls (Michael) + not everything but most - bridge 2x calls 1x private, 1 public via the G+ hangout ? + not v. fond of public recording issue (Norbert) AI: + see if Florian / talkyo can provide a public / non-recorded room (Michael) + some topics eg. security, commit access still need to be private. * UX Update (Astron / Mirek) + use of redmine discussion - issues / benefits. * QA (Robinson) + un-confirmed bug count climbing again - just over 900 + Robinson distracted by releng while Cloph on vacation + otherwise mostly quiet. * QA stats: + <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html</a> +143 -93 (+50 overall) many thanks to the top bug squashers: Caolán McNamara 13 Jean-Baptiste Faure 10 Adolfo Jayme 8 Michael Meeks 5 raal 5 Jan Holesovsky 3 * Open 4.4 MAB + 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1 + <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1</a> * Open 4.3 MAB + 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47 14/45 19/43 10/32 6/27 23% 25% 22% 24% 26% 28% 23% 29% 33% 44% 31% 22% + <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1</a> * Open 4.2 MAB + 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245 83/244 83/243 84/236 85/235 82/229 81/222 34% 35% 34% 33% 34% 34% 35% 36% 35% 36% + <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1" target="_blank">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1</a> * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 143/389 146/385 142/375 141/374 136/361 127/349 119/331 102/308 92/296 + <a href="http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q</a> * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 457(+0) bugs open of 3042(+13) total * ~Component count net * Writer - 138 (+2) Spreadsheet - 91 (+2) Crashes - 30 (-4) Presentation - 29 (+0) Libreoffice - 25 (-1) Database - 25 (+0) Graphics - 23 (+0) UI - 20 (-2) Borders - 19 (-1) Filters - 15 (+0) Drawing - 13 (+0) Print / PDF - 12 (+0) Chart - 9 (+1) BASIC - 5 (+0) Extensions - 5 (+0) Linguistic - 4 (+0) Installation - 4 (+0) Formula - 4 (-1) framework - 1 (+0) sdk - 0 (+0) Impress Remote - 0 (+0) + <a href="http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn</a> - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED ) -- <a href="mailto:michael.meeks@collabora.com">michael.meeks@collabora.com</a> <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: <a href="mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org">Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Change settings: <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa</a> Problems? 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