[Openicc] Helping with colord

[Graeme Gill]

Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

> And thus we go back to good old "have you paid for it" as if it was
> any sort of a valid argument.

It's a perfectly valid argument, because it reflects reality. People
can't work full time on things unless they have some means of paying
their way in life.

Spare time work on complex and large projects makes slow progress,
as you have noted.

> Do you know when Cinepaint's source code was officially released last?
> Have a look yourself:

I think it's a bit odd that you are bringing up slow Cinepaint development
is an argument against as Oyranos. They seem very distantly connected
from what I can see. I certainly get the message that you are frustrated
with the slow progress of Cinepaint, but perhaps this is not the forum for
that.

> This has already been discussed in the epic elektra thread. Do you see
> any point getting back and starting it all over again?

Assuming Oyranos doesn't have a hard dependence on Elektra anymore (and I
have no reason to doubt Kai-Uwe's statement on that), then what is the
current relevance ?

> Do you want to see what happens when you go for a perfect architecture
> instead of starting small and progressing step by step? Visit
> lumiera.org. Excellent idea, shot in the head by overdesign. After
> three years there are still no downloads, because there is nothing to
> download. Not even an alpha is available. Do I want the only viable
> desktop integrated color management app be shot in the head likewise?
> Hell, no.

I don't quite see the relevance. You certainly can't claim that
Oyranos is some paper design.

> Back when we started OpenICC, the idea was to agree on concepts, work
> out common solutions and then bloody well get things done. I love the
> fact that we have best experts in CM here, as well as both proprietary
> and free software developers and hardware vendor engineers. I love the
> fact that I learnt tons of stuff. But it's been, how many -- four?
> five? -- years since then, and the question I'm asking is: are we
> getting things done?

Apparently not a lot. But there has to be some willingness to work
towards common goals, and take into consideration others legitimate
requirements. While Richard Hughes has made admirable progress with
GCM, he's not shown a lot of willingness so far to compromise
the "get my project working in the most efficient GNOME/Red Hat way possible",
in order to actually establish some basic system color management
standards, such as how profile & device associations are stored.

I'm certainly willing to make ArgyllCMS work with a standard that
can be agreed by the various interested parties, and I get the impression
that Kai-Uwe might be willing to change Oyranos to work with a standard,
but I'm not getting the impression at the moment that Richard is willing.

If we could get that at least done (including sample code), then we could
start arguing about what's stored in it, and after that there may even be
scope to specify a system CMM api or even implement it based on 
Oyranos/GCM/lcms2/Ghostscript code!

Graeme Gill.