<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>...but we should at least ask the question - what does a color profile mean for a remote display?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>A color profile should be tied to the hardware for which it was profiled, should it not? If you measure the gamma response of a display, and create a color profile around this response, and set the X atom, then connect remotely from a different set of hardware - the gamma response of that hardware might be entirely different than the one which it was originally profiled...in which case the profile would make the colors look incorrect.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>While I do see remote usage as important - how important is remote color management? If initial releases of this spec say that remote windows remain unmanaged, this might be acceptable.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 24, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Craig Ringer wrote:</DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Note: I use X11 thin clients at work, so I have a bit of a vested</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">interest in this. However, my view is that remote X11 is not just a</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">technical curiosity, and I suspect it'll be seeing increasing amounts of</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">use again now that thin clients are coming back "into fashion".</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">X11 is remote by definition.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It is a client-server system.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Anyone who thinks differently should probably be using Microsoft Windows.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Remote X11 is hardly a "curiosity".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>My daily work environment includes tens of windows for applications running on other systems.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I am not using a "thin" client.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As Linux evolves, I see more and more X11 programs which behave poorly (i.e. run slowly, refuse to run) if they are not displayed on the "console".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This is the result of the "one PC", "one user" thinking that dominates the Microsoft Windows world.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At least one original X11 inventor is on this list.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Let us assure that his efforts have not been in vain.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Preserve the client client-server model and only look for local performance enhancements once networked client-server is working well.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Bob</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">======================================</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Bob Friesenhahn</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us, <A href="http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/">http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">GraphicsMagick Maintainer,<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="http://www.GraphicsMagick.org">http://www.GraphicsMagick.org</A>/</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">openicc mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:openicc@lists.freedesktop.org">openicc@lists.freedesktop.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openicc">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openicc</A></DIV> <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Ben Guthro</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Software Engineer</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Center of Excellence for Display Technologies</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">a Gretag Macbeth Company</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">603.681.0315 x234</FONT></P> <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>