<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I would like to respond to the topic of Input/Camera calibration.<div><br></div><div>The lack of camera calibration contributes to problems throughout the entire color-managed workflow. There is a misconception that cameras cannot be profiled (outside of copywork) yet this is simply not true. ICC profiling and (chart-based RAW profiling) is just as important as a display profile or printer profile. A soon to be released RIT research study should be carefully reviewed by everyone in the color management community as it clearly identifies the benefits of objective methods from capture to output to observer.<a href="http://artimaging.rit.edu/">ArtImaging</a> There are things that can be improved regarding camera profiling for sure in future iterations of color management technology, but color management is the only way to control and normalize Input devices, just like ICC controls and normalizes output devices.<div><div><br></div><div>The second issue is that while this forum is all about "Open ICC" the AdobeRGB1998 color space is often thrown around as if is some form of standard. AdobeRGB is no more of a standard than ColorMatchRGB,BruceRGB,AppleRGB,DonRGB, etc etc. It is incredibly disturbing that supposed "open" efforts freely endorse CLOSED definitions. Any open printing protocols being worked on MUST use OPEN STANDARDS internally, preferably ISO specifications. We must all avoid corporate branded environments at all costs. If the word Adobe is on it, it's not "open". Used widely is very different from "Open". According to Adobe simply saving an image in AdobeRGB1998 color space requires a license agreement.</div><div><br></div><div>From the Adobe web site:</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; "><b>"Bundling the Adobe RGB (1998) ICC profile</b></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; ">You may distribute the Adobe RGB (1998) ICC profile as embedded within digital image files and on a standalone basis as long as you accept the terms and conditions of the Color Profile License Agreement on this page and the Adobe End-User License Agreement."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; ">It is important to note that decisions made here may impact users worldwide for the next decade. It is time to push back on the industry that has all but wiped color management off the  map. I watch the protests in Egypt and wonder why oppressed users and programmers cannot rise up in protest against silicon valley!</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; ">Scott</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px; "><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><div><div>On Feb 9, 2011, at 8:05 AM, <a href="mailto:openicc-request@lists.freedesktop.org">openicc-request@lists.freedesktop.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">Linux CM ideology .. Linux CM proposal</span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></html>