<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> </div> <br><div><div>On May 7, 2011, at 12:38 AM, edmund ronald wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>As I said, we or at least *I*do understand that the print dialog situation has become catastrophic, the Gutenprint options list reads like a 747 take off checklist. Where you are being hypocritical is that you don't say that it has become almost EQUALLY catastrophic for Photoshop users of Epson drivers on the Mac, and that there have been vigorous protestations now for years about it. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>This is a bizarre assertion. They're completely unrelated issues for one. And second, I predicted the catastrophe that is printing on Mac OS X when the scheme was proposed, amongst vigorous protestations from others that it was overly complex. I called for Apple's censure at a recent ICC developer's conference due to years of unreliable printing problems that severely inhibit effective ICC workflow. So quite honestly, I don't think you know what you're talking about when you throw out the word hypocritical. I don't think it means what you think it means as it's not applicable.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"> <div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite"><div> <div> However, the dictators of the computing proletariat have a plan for world domination: Users of color managed printing will be offered the color/bw and paper choice in the "simple" tab, I expect. Not because we love our users so much that we want to simplify their lives, but just because a profile is only valid in the conditions it was made. Tinkerers and color consultants  who open the hood of the car and dive into the steaming mechanical entrails deserve ... what they get :)</div> </div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This is a car where the steering wheel is in the backseat, the engine is on the passenger seat, in order to avoid my fingers getting chopped off I have to be very careful shifting because the gear shift is exactly where one would expect, yet a mere 4" from a rotating fan belt. </div> <div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, it needs to get cleaned up. So, now how about some more constructive suggestions other than  total removal of the options?</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>It's not a suggestion for total removal. It's a suggestion that not all users be subject to seeing it by default, even in the singular options panel of the CPD. I find it superfluous. Color management should work better and smarter than subjecting users to unnecessary options and clutter.</div><div><br></div><div>It is not user domain to clean up a messy print dialog. That's the domain of the CPD UI designers, so hopefully there is an aggressive hiding of the most irrelevant options for most users, by default so they aren't having to wade through a heap of confusion. If they want to enable the visibility of certain options, fine.</div><div><br></div><div>I am proposing a continuum rather than being subject to binary logic that all things are equally important and should be visible by default for all users, vs all options completely unavailable to users even if they want it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div></body></html>