<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> On 09/02/2011 02:16 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:20110902021613.GA11094@tango.0pointer.de" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Many upstream packages ship native systemd unit files these days, your example Avahi for example does. And in Fedora 16 we have have converted *all* init scripts to systemd unit files. My plan for Fedora 17 is to have all bus services converted too.</pre> </blockquote>   Given that i'm the feature owner for the conversation process and got stressed enough when (some ) online media starting throwing false statements ( others more reliable and accurate and bothered to read the feature page ) that we would have *all* init scripts converted to systemd unit in F16 to the point I extended my day from 24hours to 36hours trying to meet that goal then finding out that your the one spreading that false statement comes as a bit of a shock. An statement closer to the truth is we are at 1/3 - 1/2 converting from the legacy sysv init script to native systemd units however all live media and default next next install from the dvd is done which means desktop installs are covered ( perhaps that's *all* in your eyes ) except those that might contain openvpn ( maintainer did not have time to look at this  ) and wpa_supplicant where Dan has yet not build the package containing the submitted wpa_supplicant units and we did put a stop on pursuing it until we hear from Dan ( Not heard if Bill manage to speak to him about this ) since it came to our attention that unit files where submitted upstream that deviated from what we had created and Dan had accepted and as you all know we try to stay as close to upstream as possible so we kinda need know from Dan what's going on and which files he want to package and ship.  From the looks of the speed of converting all the legacy sysv init scripts to native systemd ones is progressing on, it wont be done until F17/F18 time frame and an complete legacy sysv init backwards compatibility/support could be scheduled to be removed in F19/F20 if it's desired I suppose. For the record there will be no more native systemd unit files introduced into the release ( F16 ) after we release beta and since we have started composing test candidates for beta what's in the release ( F16 ) now is pretty much what will be in it during it's whole release cycle.    Thanks             JBG </body> </html>