<FONT face="Default Sans Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" size=2><DIV>Hi Peter, Cesar and all,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As Peter points out, and as I mentioned in my post in the gnome-accessibility list, the 'font track' for graphic symbols is a route to wider compatibility with existing protocols and formats. That's why we ended up transferring the symbol graphics to fonts, to allow symbol display, aligned with text/words, within OO/LO Writer (ODF/ODT), using the existing (but limited) support for <A href="http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/" target=blank>Ruby Annotation </A> in there (only allowing 'plain text' within the annotation text). </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The drawback with fonts is the lacking (as far as we have found) support for colour in fonts. This is no problem for Blissymbols, but for most other pictographic symbol libraries the colour is essential for most users.<BR></DIV><DIV>So support for graphics is still a very relevant question. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>And what about support for Ruby Annotation in existing protocols for IM - will that be found anywhere? </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>So on the wish list: An IM protocol with full support for Ruby Annotation - including graphics as part of the text - also in the annotation. But until then what?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Mats <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#990099>-----Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> skrev: -----<BR><BR></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Hi Cesar,<BR><BR>Helping people with language and cognitive disabilities communicate with each other and with folks who don't have those disabilities is one of the tasks under the AEGIS project [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.aegis-project.eu/" target=blank>http://www.aegis-project.eu</A>].  In particular, AEGIS partners SU-DART and FPD in Sweden (staff of whom are cc-ed: Mats, Lars, Bengt, and Annika) are doing that work.  <BR><BR>To that end, they are building fonts out of the CCF symbol sets that they developed for helping folks in Sweden with language and communication impairments.  Initially these fonts would be used as part of a text editor - displaying symbols alongside the English/Swedish/Spanish/... words representing the same concepts (to be done as a plug-in to OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice).  But the intention is that they could be used for direct communication - with any communication application that supported multi-byte characters.<BR><BR><BR>I'll let Mats/Lars/Bengt/Annika describe this in further detail.<BR><BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR>On 10/25/2011 12:52 PM, Cesar Mauri wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:4EA71366.6080506@crea-si.com type="cite">Hi all, <BR><BR>Recently I suggested to Meg Ford, who was attending the Montreal Summit, <BR>to ask Telepathy developers whether it would be possible to add support <BR>for pictogram based communication. <BR><BR>Here is my suggestion: <BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Thinking in people with language and communication disorders (i.e. <BR>people not able to read/write due to cognitive/mental disorders), it <BR>would be interesting to have a IM client able to compose, send and <BR>display messages made up pictograms + text. <BR><BR>So, messages would look like this: <BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/___h4z60kN9fAk/TBnOIM61kUI/__AAAAAAAAAQ8/TM0fBXcTvyA/s1600/__cumplea%C3%B1os.png" target=blank>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/___h4z60kN9fAk/TBnOIM61kUI/__AAAAAAAAAQ8/TM0fBXcTvyA/s1600/__cumplea%C3%B1os.png</A> <BR><BR> Also, it would be useful to add TTS support in order to hear <BR>messages written in plain text (which could be also useful for blind <BR>people). <BR><BR>There had been some efforts in that way: <BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.fundmaresme.com/messengervisual/" target=blank>http://www.fundmaresme.com/messengervisual/</A> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>And here Meg's answer: <BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">  I spoke to one of the developers of Telepathy about this, and here is <BR>what he said: <BR><BR>Currently Telepathy does not support this type of feature. For example, <BR>users cannot send emoticons that they have drawn themselves. Therefore, <BR>you would need to write a library for this. If you are willing to write <BR>a library, they would be happy to have this feature. <BR><BR>Secondly, they recommend that you write a seperate app for this feature, <BR>but use the Empathy contact list. They recommend that the feature be <BR>accessed through the accessibility menu. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Regarding the feasibility of implementing such a library on top of the supported protocols, Meg also told me: <BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Do they all support sending icons? I assume that all of the chat programs <BR>do, but you would need to ask the Telepathy developers.  I know enough about <BR>A.T. to be able to explain what this type of feature does from a user-end <BR>perspective, but I am not a programmer. Guillame Desmottes said that you <BR>would need to write an API to support this type of program. Again, you can <BR>speak to him about it. He said that some chat programs support, for example, <BR>sending user-made icons such as these <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://emoticonhq.com/" target=blank>http://emoticonhq.com/</A>   . He said <BR>that you would need to write this type of A.P.I. for Telepathy in order to <BR>support the feature you are proposing. However, it would be best if you <BR>would discuss this with him if you want more details. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>And so here I am. My questions is: <BR><BR>- Do (most commonly used) supported protocols allow for sending arbitrary images along with text? 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