Actually, I think Iskren made a very important point. To take this one step further: with CSD, we can't force the client to stop drawing the decoration, we can only tell the client that it should. So we can assume Chrome having a decoration for example, what shouldn't be possible in a tiling WM. Together with the other things he said, it would be almost impossible to get a useable/useful tiling WM with CSD. To the shortcuts discussion: do you really want every user to remember shortcuts to use his desktop? This would be a huge step backwards for the process of getting Linux on the desktop. Everything the average user wants to do must be doable within the UI, and closing/moving dead windows out of the way belongs to this. André ----- Reply message ----- Von: "Daniel" <danlist@terra.es> Datum: Mo., Mai. 9, 2011 23:29 Betreff: client side decorations An: "Bill Spitzak" <spitzak@gmail.com> Cc: "Høgsberg" <krh@bitplanet.net>, "Peng Huang" <shawn.p.huang@gmail.com>, "Sam Spilsbury" <smspillaz@gmail.com>, "Mike Paquette" <paquette.mj@gmail.com>, "wayland" <wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>, <maltee@lavabit.com>, <Kristian@freedesktop.org>, "microcai" <microcai@fedoraproject.org> El dg 08 de 05 de 2011 a les 09:47 -0700, en/na Bill Spitzak va escriure: > > Though it is possible, I don't like the idea of clients sending hints > about what areas are the close box or window border, since it implies > there are such concepts as "title bar" and "close box". The compositor > can just have clicks anywhere raise and move the non-responsive > window, and lots of clicks (indicating user frustration) pop up a box > offering to kill the program. On Linux, since it is standard, > compositors can also have Alt+click always raise/move windows, and alt > +right click pop up a menu of compositor-side window actions. > This would be actually a good way to handle it. Use an special mode or tool, a la xkill, to deal with stuck applications. It can take the form of an special key/mouse combination, gestures, or as I said before, an external tool like xkill. Note that it needs not be limited to killing, but could do any other thing, like minimizing, sending to another virtual desktop, etc. _______________________________________________ wayland-devel mailing list wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/wayland-devel">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/wayland-devel</a>