Emoticons theme specification
mattr at kde.org
Mon Jan 10 04:25:35 EET 2005
On Sunday 09 January 2005 01:05 pm, Owen Taylor wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 18:11 +0100, Olivier Goffart wrote:
> > Hello
> > This mail is a suite for my previous mail in the kde-core-devel mailing
> > list http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=110510845929729&w=2
> > Konversation and Kopete want to share the same emoticons themes, There is
> > also interest in KMail to support them.
> > It may be a good idea to standardize that as a freedesktop specification.
> > So the same emoticons theme could be used in every others program as
> > well. (Gaim, evolution, ...)
> > So I've finally specified today the original format I wrote 2 years ago
> > for Kopete.
> > It's my first specification, so please be indulgent, and thanks to notify
> > me errors.
> > I've attached the docbook file since I have currently no real place to
> > host it.
> Thanks a lot for writing this up.
> Emoticons it's not something I really have a lot of experience with, but
> some random thoughts looking over the spec"
> - Does it really make sense to have emoticon themes separate from icon
> themes? While I can imagine it being neat to be able to trade just
> an emoticon theme, my expectation would be that the emoticons
> would just follow the general appearance of my desktop.
I think it does. How would you customize just your emoticons (i know of people
that do this) w/o downloading a whole new icon theme. However, I think that
providing a default set of icons that are emoticons in the desktop's default
icon theme would be good, just as long as it's not tied too closely to the
icon theme. -1
> My initial thought was you could just use icons in the icon theme
> named say, emoticon-%aa%bb%cc (URI style hex escaping), but I guess
> the parser would then have to enumerate all icons in the icon theme
> to figure out what emoticon strings were available.
> But you could still augment the icon theme with an auxiliary file
> listing the emoticon => icon name mapping.
> - MNG? icon themes don't support MNG ... and GNOME doesn't support MNG.
> MNG could probably be added to the icon theme spec
> in a similar way to SVG. Do current emoticon themes use MNG?
> Would APNG be a better choice? GNOME doesn't support APNG either
> but it would be a lot more trivial to add.)
GIF, MNG, APNG, etc. I don't think the format matters. There just needs to be
a way to have animated emoticons.
> - Should the spec support SVG? Both GNOME and KDE support SVG icon
> themes, and it seems that people might want scalable emoticons.
> - What about size handling? Do you have to create a separate theme
> for each size? What about scalable emoticon themes?
I think SVG emoticons would be overkill, although it would be useful for those
people who use larger fonts so that their emoticons scale the same way their
> Incorporating emoticons into the icon theme spec would give a
> pretty sophisticated system for this without any extra work.
-1 for the reasons above about incorporating emoticons with the icon theme.
> - /usr/share/themes/<themename>/<themetype> is used for
> /usr/share/icons/<themename>/cursors is used for cursor themes.
> Can this be put into one or the other location rather than further
> cluttering /usr/share?
IMHO, and i could be wrong, that would require a common spec for file
locations of icon themes. Do we already have this?
> - We seem to be using .ini-style files more than XML files for theme
> information. Can the emoticon theme information be wedge into
> an .ini file in some natural way? If XML is the right format
> (and we are using it in xdgmime), then I suspect GNOME people would
> appreciate if the specification limited XML to the GMarkup subset:
-1. If we do use XML in the spec, we shouldn't limit the XML that we can use.
I personally don't know whether XML or ini-style is better, but the format
can be decided later.
> - I'm not sure a hidden .directory file is the best way to handling
> theme naming. Right now we do naming with
> /usr/share/themes/index.theme /usr/share/icons/index.theme ... if
> you used one of those two directories, then you could just piggyback
> off of that. If not, then I think an index.theme file would be
> Anyways, that's some feedback from someone who is quite happy with text
> emoticons ;-). It might be good to try and contact some of the authors
> of other emoticon using applications directly. Evolution, Thunderbird
> come to mind. Maybe GAIM. I don't know what Evolution does currently
> to find emoticon images.
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