BTW picking up on the discussion from somewhere (xdg/gnome/some-list) about a neutral, generic VFS (the VFS would consist of generic platform/toolkit-independent external apps and plugins that would be invoked via a standardized interface; seems actually more feasible now with D-BUS than back then), this is just as well possible with playlists, and since they are rather simple (even XSPF can be reduced to contain only a miminal amount of metadata). Just as an example of what i imagine: it's not exactly the same thing, but in BMP we have "container" plugins; we define a container to be anything from which you can extract URIs (and metadata) of tracks that can be played, and we have one for m3u, pls, xspf, i'm about to write an .asx one (with mixed feelings, heh), and also one for folders, since you can treat a folder as a container of URIs if you want so. Point being: it's possible that the actual storage format is opaque (never the less it has to be decided upon) and players use something like that generic-VFS method to read it's contents and/or write to a playlist or create a new one. This would have also the (although i my opinion doubtful, since m3u and pls are really poor playlist formats) benefit that users could choose their favorite playlist format system-wide without the apps having to read out a particular global setting from, well, whatever is appropriate (what's the current XDG standard for common user configuration?) <div>On 7/9/06, Michael Burschik <<a href="mailto:Michael.Burschik@gmx.de">Michael.Burschik@gmx.de</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">So, we have the usual situation: there is no single well-supported standard, there are about a dozen competing "standards", each supported by one or two applications? How are the chances that the GNOME and KDE players, at least, might agree on a common standard? Regards Michael Burschik _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list <a href="mailto:xdg@lists.freedesktop.org">xdg@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg</a> </blockquote> </div>