[Clipart] Contributors and moderation
jon at protofunk.org
Wed Mar 31 01:04:28 PST 2004
Alan, great idea on generating PNG previews of submissions. I think we
need to place emphasis on diversity on this project. Diversity through
content and rich metadata embedded in the images. From that, develop
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 03:58, Alan Horkan wrote:
> Damn, I thought I had sent this last week.
> Sorry for the late reply.
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Ted Gould wrote:
> > Subject: [Clipart] Contributors and moderation
> > Basically, groups are always started with good intentions by a group of
> > people who really want it to be successful. Then other people join with
> > different goals, and things go a little bit crazy. A good example of
> > this is Slashdot, who ended up implementing a rather sophisticated
> > rating system to handle the 'junk' submissions.
> Clear goals certainly will help.
> > I'm concerned that our clip-art repository may become victim to a
> > similar issue. Some will do it on purpose, they'll try to submit junk
> > that is just entirely unacceptable (which is something we should define
> > clearly). But, others will just make crummy clip-art. If the
> > repository doesn't maintain some amount of quality it will be useless
> > for everyone.
> > So, I guess I'm asking two questions:
> > 1) Do we need an 'acceptable use' policy that specifies what is
> > acceptable and what isn't? What should it include?
> Are you perhaps referring to a certain historical flag that people
> objected to?
> I would suggest we try not to refuse anything but be extremely careful
> about how we categorize and package some of the more contraversial types
> of artwork.
> > My response: Yes, we do. I think it should include:
> > -- Graphics are Public domain
> A license that allows artists to use the SVG without fear of being asked
> to pay royalties is essential, what is in and isn't derivative work is too
> difficult to work out fairly.
> Public domain seems like the best choice, but I cannot help wondering if
> there is an alternative that would protect use from being totally screwed
> over and exploited. Could copyright be pooled (given to freedesktop.org)
> rather than dropped entirely to give the group some ability to deal with
> any potential 'abuse' or unwanted exploitation of the collection?
> Anyone have a friendly lawyer we can ask? What do the Free software
> foundation recommend for this kind of 'data files'
> > -- SVG
> > -- Not intended to harm or offend as determined by?
> This is impossible to determine and is tantamount to censorship.
> Ideally we would have a searchable repository and flag certain items as
> contraversial and only offer them for individual download rather than as
> part of any packaged collections.
> If you have not already witnessed the flag discussions it is surprising
> how many flags people find offensive (or to give a more real world example
> how offended people get by flag burning). (And lets not forget my
> favourite censorship topic: Art or just nudity?)
> > 2) How do we police works that are in the repository?
> As little as possible. Censorship quickly spirals out of control a
> minimal policy is probably the best bet. If we can flag certain items as
> contraversial and allowing people to 'self censor' it would be ideal.
> When I say 'self censor' just as one can choose not to look in certain
> directory categories in Yahoo and just as one can choose not to read
> slashdot without moderation.
> Hopefully there is a clean way we can fit this in with the Metadata
> > Do we need a
> > group that is in charge of this? What mechanisms are required to be
> > built in for this to occur? Is being able to roll back malicious
> > changes enough? Do we have a different set of what appears on the
> > webpage that what we expect distributions to ship? Do graphics need
> > ratings?
> I'd prefer rich metadata and categorisation rather than ratings
> specifically but we still need to avoid pitfalls like Microsoft Encarta
> and their "Monkey (bars)"
> > Okay, I think I've talked enough - I really don't want this to be a
> > monologue - what do people think?
> Is there a suitable gallery content management system people have in mind,
> ideally something being used by another project? Presumably we could
> setup RSVG to automatically generate PNG previews.
> Alan Horkan
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