[Clipart] leechers and pirates
jon at rejon.org
Wed Feb 6 08:38:12 PST 2008
Johnny is awesome and hard core!
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 16:25 +0100, eric.lemerdy wrote:
> I feel that I am in the target of people :
> "just a little code that they knew they could write, but never got
> around to doing it."
All is well...we all do this for the love and fun of it which is good
and bad sometimes...don't be hard on yourself, trust me I am on myself
too for not having as much time as I want to hack.
> For our defense, the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY
> discouraging. I remember how motivated I was to contribute Ocal until
> I checkout the code and suddenly became shameful that I was not able
> to understand a single line of code in this framework unless spending
> days on it. That's where I join ckler when he says that such a site
> can be written in a day or so but FROM SCRATCH.
No way. That is a big no no path to destruction -- starting over. I have
been involved in too many projects that take that on and failed. Just
have to keep focused on specific tasks and get them done. Also, cchost 5
has removed the old templating system in favor of just pure php, which
I'll help anyone who wants to hack on the system...its just php and
phptal for templating...pretty simple...
> But a I am not a talentuous programmer mysefl and I know this is again
> to defend myself for doing nothing about ocal todo list... I practice
> SDD (Shame Driven Developpement) which leads to self-frustration and
> nothing concrete !
Yes, the best way to jump in is to just go to the bug tracker and pick 1
bug to do, and squash it.
The other way is to go to the roadmap and find an item and check it off.
> > Message du 06/02/08 15:50
> > De : "John Olsen"
> > A : clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : [Clipart] leechers and pirates
> > regarding various salvos being fired over clker.com etal.:
> > Am I going to the wrong clker.com? The one I visit clearly
> has the
> > author as one of the tags and you can sort by that - so that
> > and Liftarn submissions can be seen together. i see a few of
> > submissions are popular this week. When I click on one and
> go to it's
> > page right under the site title it says "Johnny Automatic
> greedy man"
> > I don't want to get into a name calling debate, but it seems
> to me
> > that "leechers and pirates" have one admirable advantage
> over our
> > little group - they talk a lot less and work a lot more. I'm
> > judge this site by results.
> > How refreshing to go to a site focused on visual art -
> clipart and see
> > - OMG - a page full of pictures of clipart!
> > People go to OCAL looking for clipart. God help them trying
> to find
> > it. The most likely thing they'll see is a blog feed from
> > else's blog and words - lots of words. In fact for something
> that is
> > dedicated to visual art, it profoundly misunderstands the
> power of
> > design and visuals.
> > As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am
> happy to have
> > them spread around. The important part is that the clipart
> > available. Much of the art I upload is repurposed from
> public domain
> > old books. I see that as liberating it to be repurposed and
> used by
> > more people than ever would if it just sat lost in a book.
> Was that
> > the intent of the original illustrator? Almost certainly
> not. But it
> > is now in the PD and is there for people to use and
> > Now I'm done talking - I have uploading and librarian work
> to do. I
> > am in the middle of uploading about 500 files from the old
> library by
> > hand because I have just given up on all the people that
> have come and
> > gone here spouting off how easy something would be to do
> with just a
> > little code that they knew they could write, but never got
> around to
> > doing it.
> > But I can't fix bugs or add site features by brute force.
> > A car is faster than walking, but if I start walking and the
> car never
> > comes, who gets there first?
> > John Olsen/Johnny Automatic
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