[Clipart] More nsfw stuff

Mon May 3 17:30:02 PDT 2010

Another solution would be to have

   - Only registered users
      - Only those registered users over a certain age (26+)
      - Only those registered users with the checkbox enabled are able to
         see the checkbox in the user preferences.

If you are not logged in, you cannot see NSFW clipart. Period.
If you make an account, you have to set your age form or birthday?
After you have made the account of a certain date, THEN you can see the
checkbox.
And you have to set the checkbox to see the nsfw clipart.

Then, I think, that gives the most choice for those who want to use that
"facility" and those who don't want to.

(Haha. It's funny discussing this on an open mailing list. There's the
workaround right there. Any 13 year old worth his salt will be able to
figure this out without us spelling it out for him on the public record.
Ironic.)

I would prefer that NSFW stays off OCAL. But time and again Jon has stated
that we don't censor like that. So until his mind changes on that issue, we
must find "workarounds" to keep NSFW away from minors. Anything else is
irresponsible,* AND hampers the growth potential of OCAL*. To me that's the
more important issue. I want to see OCAL grow. This NSFW issue is a
roadblock at the moment.

Cheers
Chovynz

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Seb <sebastien.lanteigne at gmail.com> wrote:

> About NSFW. Imo NSFW is not appropriate. Simply because of the nature
> of this site. It's very likely that kids will be using it in a context
> that is not "at work". the answer is pretty simple. You add a check
> box to the upload form. "Does this image contain Nudity?" Then have a
> filter to block it.
>
> I may seem a bit extreme here but I personally think that, again
> because of the nature of the site, the filter should be ON by default.
> Simply becasue most kids will lack the knowledge to turn it ON, or
> more to the point won't even know to look for a filter. On the other
> hand most adults should be able to remove it quite easily. My daughter
> is only 22 days old so it won't be an issue but in the future I hope
> she will use this site and I like to hope that everything will be done
> to make her experience a good one.
>
> On the issue of PD or not for the images. The issue is much wider.
> Ford argues you are breaking copyrights if you distribute pictures of
> your Ford car. Now would we remove are clip art of a ford mustang?
> Definitely not, unless maybe ford threatened to sue.
>
> There is only one direction to take. Respond to take down notice as
> they come. It is impossible to check everything. I think even a judge
> would agree that you can't possibly be expected to to verify every
> picture of a nude women found on the web. But sure at some point
> someone will say:" hey this is my picture. Stop using it.". At that
> point we will need to ask the user to either prove that  he is the
> rightful owner of that design, that it is PD or have it removed.
>
>
> Seb.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:45 AM, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Librarians, Admins, and Developers.
> >
> > http://www.openclipart.org/user-detail/share
> >
> > Do you reckon this person is vectorising images that are not his? I'm
> > starting to suspect so since the two females are different people.
> > Basically, we have no proof that these are PD anymore, and no way (that I
> > know of) of contacting him and asking.
> >
> > What could we do to
> >
> > help protect OCAL first (obviously if someone complains of copyright
> > violation, we take it down, but by then it would probably have already
> been
> > on OCAL for awhile,)
> > secondly, protect the people in the cliparts - remembering that PD
> clipart
> > can be used for any purpose including commercial or defamation,
> > thirdly protection of the Users of OCAL - it would be very easy for
> someone
> > to download these cliparts and unknowningly use a copyrighted image,
> > fourthly I personally don't want to see OCAL become a repository for
> porn.
> > There is so much more uses for a PD library than that. If that happens
> then
> > yes, OCAL DOES need filters that work properly. It looks like there is a
> > trend of uploading these types of images.
> >
> > Would it be a good idea for every clipart that has a vectorised person in
> it
> > like these to have a model release form uploaded as well? I previously
> > thought that was too restrictive, but am starting to think it would be a
> > good idea. Also I would like to see all NSFW checked cliparts to not
> appear
> > in any search. I suggest a nsfw toggle in the users preferences that they
> > can display nsfw clipart if they choose to. By default this would be off.
> >
> > I'm quite serious about the porn repository issue. Schools and
> universities
> > cannot use OCAL until it is a "safe" environment. I don't like to let my
> 6
> > year olds or other kids on OCAL until I know they won't find things. (For
> > the moment, I go hunting and print out appropriate pictures for them to
> draw
> > on and colour in - but searches like "girl", and "green", "stand",
> "school"
> > will show some things that are not age appropriate.) Same goes for
> churches.
> > They won't like to use this until there is some "safety".
> >
> > If we as OCAL are going to supply PD images (which is great!) then we
> also
> > need to provide protection for minors, and for age.
> >
> > More support for this stance :
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/openclipart/+question/107881
> >
> > If there is background work going on, on the nsfw issues, then please let
> us
> > know. From my point of view, nothing is happening. Feel free to correct
> me
> > if I'm wrong.
> >
> > So; two issues.
> > 1. Are these clipart from user:share actually PD? How do we know?
> > 2. What's the plan for protection for minors from OCAL's side on the
> issue
> > of nsfw and age appropriateness?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Chovynz
> >
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>

-- 
Cheers
Chovynz
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