[Clipart] Oodles of broken cliparts
Rentfro, Jody
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Sat May 15 10:01:08 PDT 2010
Can I use some of these images for a state contest for uil music?
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Jody rentfro
On May 15, 2010, at 11:57 AM, "J. Alves" <alvesjmp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why we don't just use the actual cliparts themselves, I don't know,
>> since the whole point of clipart is scalablity.
>
> I think the cliparts are sometimes much larger (file size) than PNG
> thumbnails are, which might impact a lot the loading of the pages.
> Well, at least some of the ones I uploaded are... :-)
>
> J
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:56 PM, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ideally, I would expect this issue will be fixed in time. It's
>> starting to
>> get into a technical side which I don't understand, but as far as I
>> do
>> understand I believe the problem lies in the external tool that we
>> use to
>> convert from SVG to PNG. The converter doesn't read text very well,
>> and so
>> makes a "broken" png file for viewing. The smaller cliparts and
>> thumbnails
>> are PNG files that we see after conversion.
>>
>> Why we don't just use the actual cliparts themselves, I don't know,
>> since
>> the whole point of clipart is scalablity. The thumbnails keep
>> refreshing
>> too, so I really can't see the point in using the svg > png
>> converter. Just
>> seems like <del>double</del> triple handling and broadband waste to
>> me,
>> since we have to download the thumbnail, and the detail png, AND
>> the clipart
>> at the end of it. Can most browsers can handle svg nowdays? I know
>> the four
>> I've tried haven't had any major problems in displaying the cliparts.
>> (Opera, Firefox, IE, Chrome).
>>
>> Also to take into account is integration with Inkscape. Linux
>> Inkscape has a
>> direct svg import from the OCAL library, so I know it affects these
>> decisions, but don't really know how they do. Jon would be the one
>> to ask.
>>
>> By the way, "it" hasn't necessarily been decided yet, I'm just
>> stating what
>> I would like to see happen. Jon and Bassel are the ultimate
>> drivers. I think
>> they listen though. :)
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:53 PM, J. Alves <alvesjmp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, OK. Since it is something that has been thought about and
>>> decided,
>>> then that's fine.
>>>
>>> And yes, I tried a couple of those "broken" ones and they did work
>>> (only when displayed at full size, by itself on a browser page),
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> Now, the problem is: why don't the small versions work, and would it
>>> be feasible to fix that? I assumed the cliparts were broken and
>>> never
>>> bothered to click on the full sized ones. How many people are
>>> getting
>>> turned away when they see the broken thumbnail and assuming the
>>> design
>>> is bad or broken, I don't know. Might or not be a problem, hard to
>>> know...
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:52 PM, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It's not necessarily a problem although I do see your point.
>>>> (haha pun!)
>>>>
>>>> I think you'll find that when you look at the clipart IN detail
>>>> (as in:
>>>> after you download it and click on the picture from the detail
>>>> page, so
>>>> that
>>>> you are only looking at the clipart itself), you will see that the
>>>> browser
>>>> renders it correctly.
>>>>
>>>> I used to be quite hard on authors who uploaded unconverted text,
>>>> however
>>>> I've had time to reflect, and in some cases it's actually useful
>>>> to have
>>>> unconverted text i.e. a calendar. So that issue isn't resolved
>>>> for me.
>>>> Yes/No could go either way, and I don't want to make it
>>>> burdonsome for
>>>> uploaders, or users.
>>>>
>>>> The problem that I wish to see fixed is a way to contact authors,
>>>> because
>>>> there is currently no way other than the comments, to contact
>>>> them. This
>>>> is
>>>> related to copyrighted clipart, as well as semi-"broken" clipart.
>>>> As far
>>>> as
>>>> I understand we could get by without having the SVG interpret text
>>>> correctly, however we cannot get by with copyrighted material.
>>>> Simple
>>>> matter
>>>> is, we need to be able to contact any author.
>>>>
>>>> And unfortunatly I don't yet know how to implement that,
>>>> otherwise I
>>>> would've! :)
>>>>
>>>> @ Bassel, here's an idea, next time you need to do a change on
>>>> the OCAL,
>>>> can
>>>> I suggest you grab one of us who wants Aiki training, and step us
>>>> through
>>>> doing that change? It may take more time, for them to do it with
>>>> your
>>>> oversight, but the more experience we get on actually doing it,
>>>> the more
>>>> useful we'll be to you, (instead of always going "Hey Bassel!!!")
>>>> It's
>>>> possible that we may even screw up, but hey that's what backups
>>>> are for
>>>> right? (You do have backups correct?) The more we screw up the
>>>> better
>>>> our
>>>> coding will be in the long run!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:20 AM, J. Alves <alvesjmp at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nearly every time I visit OCAL's front page, I see this problem:
>>>>> people do not convert the text in their SVG to paths. So, it all
>>>>> shows
>>>>> as squares in my browser/OS (Firefox/Ubuntu, in this case, but
>>>>> also
>>>>> happens in other browsers). I don't know how it would look in a
>>>>> system
>>>>> that has the font that was used, but I'm supposing it looks
>>>>> fine, or
>>>>> these people would have noticed that squares there instead of
>>>>> the text
>>>>> they intended.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, my question/suggestion is: would it be possible for the SVG
>>>>> processing step that happens during upload to automatically
>>>>> REJECT an
>>>>> clipart that has unconverted text in it? (and tell the submitter
>>>>> what
>>>>> the problem was and how to solve it, of course) I don't know much
>>>>> about SVG, but it does not sound too difficult if certain tags are
>>>>> present and whatnot...
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is that too drastic or undesirable for some other reason?
>>>>> Either
>>>>> way, there must be a way to fix this problem. Just contacting the
>>>>> author and letting him/her know of the problem after the fact
>>>>> does not
>>>>> always work -- specially if the comments do not get emailed to the
>>>>> author, who might never see the comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> João Marcelo Pereira Alves (J) - Genomics, Molecular Phyloge
>>>>> ny and
>>>>> Evolution
>>>>> Dept. Microbiology & Immunology - MCV/VCU - Richmond, VA, USA
>>>>> f. 1-804-828-3897 / 804-852-1234 - http://bioinfo.lpb.mic.vcu.edu
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chovynz
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> João Marcelo Pereira Alves (J) - Genomics, Molecular Phylogeny and
>>> Evolution
>>> Dept. Microbiology & Immunology - MCV/VCU - Richmond, VA, USA
>>> f. 1-804-828-3897 / 804-852-1234 - http://bioinfo.lpb.mic.vcu.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chovynz
>>
>
>
>
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> volution
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