<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-2"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> Alex,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I assume you are talking the three scenarios here, 1)VRAM, 2)GTT, 3)VRAM/GTT.<o:p></o:p> But kernel will need the decision too(amdgpufb). I think it shall be better to do it in kernel, instead of different clients(mesa, ddx, kernel …)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Samuel Li<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> From: Deucher, Alexander Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 3:54 PM To: Li, Samuel <Samuel.Li@amd.com>; Koenig, Christian <Christian.Koenig@amd.com>; Marek Olšák <maraeo@gmail.com> Cc: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>; Michel Dänzer <michel@daenzer.net>; amd-gfx list <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable scatter gather display support<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper"> My personal preference is still to plumb this through to mesa rather than forcing it in the kernel.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Alex<o:p></o:p> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </div> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg"> From: amd-gfx <<a href="mailto:amd-gfx-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org">amd-gfx-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> on behalf of Li, Samuel <<a href="mailto:Samuel.Li@amd.com">Samuel.Li@amd.com</a>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 3:50:34 PM To: Koenig, Christian; Marek Olšák Cc: Alex Deucher; Michel Dänzer; amd-gfx list Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable scatter gather display support <o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <div> <div> Christian,<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> You misunderstood Alex’s comments,<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <pre style="background:white">>Regardless of which scenarios we need to support, I think we also need<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">>to really plumb this through to mesa however since user space is who<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">>ultimately requests the location. Overriding it in the kernel gets<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">>tricky and can lead to ping-ponging as others have noted. Better to<o:p></o:p></pre> <o:p></o:p> Here Alex mentioned the scenarios is 1)VRAM, 2)GTT, 3)VRAM/GTT.<o:p></o:p> His concern is this might cause ping-pong, not about preferred domain. Since preferred domain can solve the ping-pong issue, it shall address his concern here.<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p></o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Samuel Li<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p></o:p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> From: Christian König [<a href="mailto:ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com">mailto:ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com</a>] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 3:45 PM To: Li, Samuel <<a href="mailto:Samuel.Li@amd.com">Samuel.Li@amd.com</a>>; Marek Olšák <<a href="mailto:maraeo@gmail.com">maraeo@gmail.com</a>>; Koenig, Christian <<a href="mailto:Christian.Koenig@amd.com">Christian.Koenig@amd.com</a>> Cc: Alex Deucher <<a href="mailto:alexdeucher@gmail.com">alexdeucher@gmail.com</a>>; Michel Dänzer <<a href="mailto:michel@daenzer.net">michel@daenzer.net</a>>; amd-gfx list <<a href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org">amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable scatter gather display support<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p></o:p> <div> Quoting Alex:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <pre style="background:white">Regardless of which scenarios we need to support, I think we also need<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">to really plumb this through to mesa however since user space is who<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">ultimately requests the location. Overriding it in the kernel gets<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">tricky and can lead to ping-ponging as others have noted. Better to<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">have user space know what chips support it or not and request display<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">buffers in GTT or VRAM from the start.<o:p></o:p></pre> </blockquote> And I completely agree with Alex here. So overriding the domain in the kernel is a serious NAK from my side as well. Please implement the necessary bits in Mesa, shouldn't be more than a few lines of code anyway. Regards, Christian. Am 19.03.2018 um 20:42 schrieb Li, Samuel:<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Agreed.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> >I think that the consensus with Alex and me is that we should avoid exactly that. Christian, Alex’s concern is about ping-pong, not about the preferred domain. <o:p></o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Samuel Li<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> From: Marek Olšák [<a href="mailto:maraeo@gmail.com">mailto:maraeo@gmail.com</a>] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 3:39 PM To: Koenig, Christian <a href="mailto:Christian.Koenig@amd.com"><Christian.Koenig@amd.com></a> Cc: Li, Samuel <a href="mailto:Samuel.Li@amd.com"><Samuel.Li@amd.com></a>; Michel Dänzer <a href="mailto:michel@daenzer.net"><michel@daenzer.net></a>; Alex Deucher <a href="mailto:alexdeucher@gmail.com"> <alexdeucher@gmail.com></a>; amd-gfx list <a href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org"> <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org></a> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable scatter gather display support<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p></o:p> <div> <div> <div> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Christian König <<a href="mailto:christian.koenig@amd.com" target="_blank">christian.koenig@amd.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> I think that the consensus with Alex and me is that we should avoid exactly that. Overriding the preferred domain in the kernel is a no-go for that patch set, so please implement the discussed changes in Mesa.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <div> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I don't see how Mesa can make a smarter decision than the kernel. If you overwrite the preferred domain of the buffer in the kernel, there will be no ping-ponging between domains. Mesa never changes the initial preferred domain.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Marek<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Regards, Christian.<o:p></o:p> <div> <div> Am 19.03.2018 um 20:22 schrieb Li, Samuel:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> I agree with Marek/Michel: since kernel sets the domain before scanning out, it shall update the preferred domain here too. Regards, Samuel Li <o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> -----Original Message----- From: Koenig, Christian Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 4:07 AM To: Michel Dänzer <<a href="mailto:michel@daenzer.net" target="_blank">michel@daenzer.net</a>>; Li, Samuel <<a href="mailto:Samuel.Li@amd.com" target="_blank">Samuel.Li@amd.com</a>>; Alex Deucher <<a href="mailto:alexdeucher@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexdeucher@gmail.com</a>> Cc: amd-gfx list <<a href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org</a>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable scatter gather display support Am 08.03.2018 um 09:35 schrieb Michel Dänzer:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> On 2018-03-07 10:47 AM, Christian König wrote:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Am 07.03.2018 um 09:42 schrieb Michel Dänzer:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> On 2018-03-06 07:23 PM, Christian König wrote:<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> E.g. the last time I tested it placing things into GTT still resulted in quite a performance penalty for rendering.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> FWIW, I think the penalty is most likely IOMMU related. Last time I tested, I couldn't measure a big difference with IOMMU disabled.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> No, the penalty I'm talking about came from the ping/pong we did with the scanout buffers. See when I tested this the DDX and Mesa where unmodified, so both still assumed VRAM as placement for scanout BOs, but the kernel forced scanout BOs into GTT for testing. So what happened was that on scanout we moved the VRAM BO to GTT<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </blockquote> and<o:p></o:p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> after unpinning it on the first command submission which used the BO we moved it back to VRAM again.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> In the meantime, I've had the same idea as Marek: Can't the kernel driver simply change the BO's preferred domain to GTT when scanning out from it? Then it won't move back to VRAM.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> Yes, I've considered this as well. But I think making the decision in Mesa is the cleaner approach. E.g. so far we only override the placement decision of userspace for two reasons: 1. We where running out of memory in VRAM. 2. We have a hardware restriction which makes VRAM usage mandatory. And even then we never adjust the placement permanently, we just temporary moved the buffer where it was needed and moved it back after the operation completed. Additional to that Mesa might want to set even more flags and/or changes it's behavior. E.g. use a tilling mode which both importer and export in an A+A laptop understands etc... Regards, Christian.<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </blockquote> _______________________________________________ amd-gfx mailing list <a href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx" target="_blank">https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx</a><o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </div> <o:p></o:p> <pre style="background:white">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white">amd-gfx mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white"><a href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org">amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre> <pre style="background:white"><a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx">https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx</a><o:p></o:p></pre> </blockquote> <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>