<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"></style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir="ltr"> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I think we can also have the case of systems with similar amounts of carve out and system ram. E.g., on a system with 4 GB of system memory with 1 GB carved out for vram. It would be a big waste not to use VRAM. We'll probably need a heuristic at some point.</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Alex<br> </p> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Christian König <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:32:49 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Marek Olšák; Koenig, Christian<br> <b>Cc:</b> Alex Deucher; Deucher, Alexander; Michel Dänzer; Li, Samuel; amd-gfx list<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [PATCH 1/2] drm/amdgpu: Enable scatter gather display support</font> <div> </div> </div> <div style="background-color:#FFFFFF"> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">I don't think that is a good idea.<br> <br> Ideally GTT should now have the same performance as VRAM on APUs and we should use VRAM only for things where we absolutely have to and to actually use up the otherwise unused VRAM.<br> <br> Can you run some tests with all BOs forced to GTT and see if there is any performance regression?<br> <br> Christian.<br> <br> Am 20.03.2018 um 15:51 schrieb Marek Olšák:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="x_gmail_extra"> <div class="x_gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Christian König <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com" target="_blank">ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="x_m_-3838486020630618689m_8572536124089128592moz-cite-prefix">Yes, exactly. And if I remember correctly Mesa used to always set GTT as fallback on APUs, correct?<br> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>"used to" is the key part. Mesa doesn't force GTT on APUs anymore. It expects that the combination of BO priorities and BO move throttling will result in optimal BO placements over time.<br> <br> </div> <div>Marek<br> </div> <div> </div> <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="x_m_-3838486020630618689m_8572536124089128592moz-cite-prefix"><br> The problem seems to be that this fallback isn't set for displayable BOs.<br> <br> So what needs to be done is to just enable this fallback for displayable BOs as well if the kernel can handle it.<span class="x_m_-3838486020630618689HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> <br> Christian.</font></span> <div> <div class="x_m_-3838486020630618689h5"><br> <br> Am 20.03.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Marek Olšák:<br> </div> </div> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div class="x_m_-3838486020630618689h5"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="x_gmail_extra"> <div class="x_gmail_quote">In theory, Mesa doesn't have to do anything. It can continue setting VRAM and if the kernel has to put a display buffer into GTT, it doesn't matter (for Mesa). Whether the VRAM placement is really used is largely determined by BO priorities.<br> </div> <div class="x_gmail_quote"><br> </div> <div class="x_gmail_quote">The way I understand scather/gather is that it only allows the GTT placement. It doesn't force the GTT placement. Mesa also doesn't force the GTT placement.<br> </div> <div class="x_gmail_quote"><br> </div> <div class="x_gmail_quote">Marek<br> </div> <div class="x_gmail_quote"><br> </div> <div class="x_gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 5:12 PM, Alex Deucher <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:alexdeucher@gmail.com" target="_blank">alexdeucher@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> <span>On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Li, Samuel <<a href="mailto:Samuel.Li@amd.com" target="_blank">Samuel.Li@amd.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>to my earlier point, there may be cases where it is advantageous to put<br> >> display buffers in vram even if s/g display is supported<br> ><br> > Agreed. That is also why the patch has the options to let user select where<br> > to put display buffers.<br> ><br> > As whether to put the option in Mesa or kernel, it seems the difference is<br> > not much. Also, since amdgpufb can request even without mesa, kernel might<br> > be a better choice. In addition, putting in the kernel can save client’s<br> > duplicate work(mesa, ogl, vulkan, 2d, kernel…)<br> <br> </span>Why do we even expose different memory pools to the UMDs in the first<br> place ;) Each pool has performance characteristics that may be<br> relevant for a particular work load. Only the UMDs really know the<br> finer points of those workloads. In general, you don't want the kernel<br> dictating policy if you can avoid it. The kernel exposes<br> functionality and userspace sets the policy. With the location set in<br> userspace, each app/user can have whatever policy makes sense for<br> their use case all at the same time without needing to tweak their<br> kernel for every use case.<br> <span class="x_m_-3838486020630618689m_8572536124089128592m_4947926278827078055HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> Alex</font></span><br> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="x_m_-3838486020630618689m_8572536124089128592mimeAttachmentHeader"> </fieldset> <br> </div> </div> <span> <pre>______________________________<wbr>_________________ amd-gfx mailing list <a class="x_m_-3838486020630618689m_8572536124089128592moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a class="x_m_-3838486020630618689m_8572536124089128592moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx" target="_blank">https://lists.freedesktop.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx</a> </pre> </span></blockquote> <br> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="x_mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre>_______________________________________________ amd-gfx mailing list <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org">amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx">https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/amd-gfx</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> </body> </html>