<div dir="ltr"><div>What happens is this simple: after a few minutes, about 6 or so, the entire content of the screen stays still. In some minor situations only the applications panel of KDE Plasma.</div><div><br></div><div>If music is playing it continues playing, so only graphics are hung. Yet in most cases the power button won't shut down the computer, as it usually does.<br></div><div><br></div><div>At least this is the case using kwin on x11, and not on wayland. It only happens on "radeon" and not on Intel or "radeonhd".</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 09:48, Christian König <<a href="mailto:christian.koenig@amd.com">christian.koenig@amd.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

  
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    Correct, but a TV is intended for videos only. That's why it
    implements only the lower HDMI standard.<br>
    <br>
    Interlaced transmits only halve the lines with each frame, so a 60Hz
    mode effectively either becomes a 30Hz mode, halving the vertical
    resolution or adaptive motion compensated which the know visual
    artifacts. Depending on what the deinterlacing setting on your TV
    is.<br>
    <br>
    You could just add a progressive 1920x540@60 or 1920x1080@30 mode
    manually and would have the same effect with probably better
    quality. See <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing" target="_blank">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing</a> for
    reference.<br>
    <br>
    If you can give us some more information what is happening when the
    system freeze we could try to narrow this down, but we can't spend
    much time on a very specific use case in a driver which is in
    maintenance mode.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Christian.<br>
    <br>
    <div>Am 31.03.21 um 09:21 schrieb Alberto
      Salvia Novella:<br>
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        <div>24fps is intended for video only. Anything interactive at
          24fps, as just moving the mouse around, is extremely choppy.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>No way anyone would prefer that over an interlaced
          resolution or a lower resolution. That is, by far, the worst
          option.</div>
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        <div>Just try it on your screen, set it to 24Hz or alike, and
          tell me your experience. You can't even tell where the mouse
          is going to go.<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 08:44,
          Christian König <<a href="mailto:christian.koenig@amd.com" target="_blank">christian.koenig@amd.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div> Hi Alberto,<br>
            <br>
            well a frame rate of 24Hz is perfectly reasonable for a TV
            and desktop usage.<br>
            <br>
            This is probably caused by the TVs limited HDMI bandwidth
            and a refresh rate of 30/25 Hz for the interlaced mode isn't
            much better either.<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            Christian.<br>
            <br>
            <div>Am 30.03.21 um 22:59 schrieb Alberto Salvia Novella:<br>
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                <div>The frame-rate at 24Hz is extremely poor for normal
                  desktop usage.<br>
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                <div><br>
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                <div>If the highest resolution, aka 1080p, uses that
                  refresh rate then the desktop will default to that
                  frame-rate.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Other progressive modes don't exhibit any issue.<br>
                </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at
                  18:26, Christian König <<a href="mailto:christian.koenig@amd.com" target="_blank">christian.koenig@amd.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div> Hi Alberto,<br>
                    <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">I think the driver should
                      only support resolutions that are <b>progressive</b>,
                      but also at least of <b>50Hz</b>.</blockquote>
                    <br>
                    Why do you think so?, the 24Hz resolution seems to
                    be the native one of the display.<br>
                    <br>
                    Regards,<br>
                    Christian.<br>
                    <br>
                    <div>Am 30.03.21 um 17:37 schrieb Alberto Salvia
                      Novella:<br>
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                        <div>This is why I'm using interlaced:<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>$ <b>xrandr</b><br>
                          Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x
                          1080, maximum 8192 x 8192<br>
                          DisplayPort-0 disconnected (normal left
                          inverted right x axis y axis)<br>
                          HDMI-0 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal
                          left inverted right x axis y axis) 16mm x 9mm<br>
                             1920x<b>1080i</b>    60.00*+  50.00  
                           59.94  <br>
                             1920x1080     <b>24.00</b>    23.98  <br>
                             1280x<b>720</b>      60.00    50.00  
                           59.94  <br>
                             1024x768      75.03    70.07    60.00  <br>
                             832x624       74.55  <br>
                             800x600       72.19    75.00    60.32  
                           56.25  <br>
                             720x576       50.00  <br>
                             720x576i      50.00  <br>
                             720x480       60.00    59.94  <br>
                             720x480i      60.00    59.94  <br>
                             640x480       75.00    72.81    66.67  
                           60.00    59.94  <br>
                             720x400       70.08  <br>
                          DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right
                          x axis y axis)</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>I think the driver should only support
                          resolutions that are <b>progressive</b>, but
                          also at least of <b>50Hz</b>.<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 30 Mar
                          2021 at 15:41, Christian König <<a href="mailto:ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com" target="_blank">ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                          <div> Mhm, no idea why an interlaced
                            resolution would cause a crash. Maybe some
                            miscalculation in the display code.<br>
                            <br>
                            But apart from that if you just connected
                            your PC to a TV I also wouldn't recommend
                            using an interlaced resolution in the first
                            place.<br>
                            <br>
                            See those resolutions only exists for
                            backward compatibility with analog hardware.<br>
                            <br>
                            I think we would just disable those modes
                            instead of searching for the bug.<br>
                            <br>
                            Regards,<br>
                            Christian.<br>
                            <br>
                            <div>Am 30.03.21 um 11:07 schrieb Alberto
                              Salvia Novella:<br>
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                                <div>I guessed so.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>The GPU is a Radeon HD5870, and the
                                  screen is an old Telefunken TV
                                  (TLFK22LEDPVR1).</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Since my real display got into
                                  repair I used this TV meanwhile, and
                                  to my surprise it froze the system.<br>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                  Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 10:15, Christian
                                  König <<a href="mailto:christian.koenig@amd.com" target="_blank">christian.koenig@amd.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi
                                  Alberto,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  well what hardware do you have?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Interlaced resolutions are not used
                                  any more on modern hardware, so they <br>
                                  are not well tested.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Regards,<br>
                                  Christian.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Am 30.03.21 um 10:04 schrieb Alberto
                                  Salvia Novella:<br>
                                  > The entire desktop hangs after
                                  some minutes when using the module <br>
                                  > "radeon" with an interlaced
                                  resolution.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Easier to trigger by playing a
                                  video on Firefox, at least on
                                  kwin_x11. <br>
                                  > Wayland didn't exhibit the
                                  problem.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Other display drivers, from
                                  different computers I have tried,
                                  didn't <br>
                                  > allow those interlaced
                                  resolutions all together. It seems
                                  they know <br>
                                  > there will be problems.<br>
                                  <br>
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