[CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

Fri Aug 13 11:24:30 PDT 2010

Ok, all I see right now is something to divert funding away from LGM.
Does anyone want that? Is that right?

Jon

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org> wrote:
> to Alexandre :
>
> Why FSF is needed ?
> Why Mozilla foundation is needed ?
> Can't you see the great benefit of the Blender foundation for Blender ?
> Have you an idea of the huge work they do ?
>
> It's not about code, it's about peoples.
> It's not only about market share, it's in a first place to become more
> coherent ourselves.
>
> I'm tired to answer that on this thread. We just need to talk about the
> website here. I don't want to justufy the project for each mail I answer...
>
> See you
> -- yagraph
>
>
>
>
> 2010/8/13 Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>
>>
>> Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ...
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>
>> Date: 2010/8/13
>> Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website
>> To: ricardo lafuente <bollecs at sollec.org>
>>
>>
>> That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the
>> technique :
>>
>> content is basically a portal :
>>
>> News (planet for projects and gallery)
>> Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events,
>> Teaching certification)
>> Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users)
>> Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary,
>> Gallery)
>> About (LGA, website)
>>
>> But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so.
>>
>> Thanks for the support too ;)
>> --yagraph
>>
>>
>> 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <bollecs at sollec.org>
>>>
>>> On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work
>>>> of what should be *on* the website,
>>>
>>> +1!
>>>
>>> Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The
>>> following website
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING
>>>
>>> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often
>>> needs to be brought up.
>>>
>>> Go LG[AF]!
>>> :r
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take care!
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> I completely agree with a.l.e ...
>>>>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor.
>>>>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to
>>>>> listen arguments, please read my presentation :
>>>>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at in
>>>>> Firefox)
>>>>>
>>>>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a
>>>>> project, and we will do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A
>>>>> website is a good starting point.
>>>>>
>>>>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very
>>>>> short deadline.
>>>>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same
>>>>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -- yagraph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/8/13 jon at rejon.org<jon at rejon.org>
>>>>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to
>>>>> focus on realidad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<ale.comp_06 at xox.ch>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi jon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It
>>>>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission.
>>>>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for
>>>>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get
>>>>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing
>>>>>>> creative community?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication
>>>>>>> happens on the create list and wiki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to
>>>>>>> this thread?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM
>>>>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i can only give my point of view:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - it's about an association not a foundation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software
>>>>>>  graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work
>>>>>>  among free software projects in the graphics field
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is
>>>>>>  developed which applies for the free software graphics tools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most
>>>>>> of those tasks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a
>>>>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely
>>>>>> upon.
>>>>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to
>>>>>> focus
>>>>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our
>>>>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to
>>>>>> worry, how to collect some money from them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its
>>>>>> name/url:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - we can't have create.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of
>>>>>>  the market we want to take over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's
>>>>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like
>>>>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome.
>>>>>> we are  discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to
>>>>>> see the work start!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just my 2.5c.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ciao
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a.l.e
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the
>>>>>> graphics field. nice to know!
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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