[PATCH] drm/doc: Document uapi requirements in DRM

Fri Sep 2 10:13:10 UTC 2016

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 02:54:48PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> Everyone knows them, except all the new folks joining from the ARM
> side haven't lived through all the pain of the past years and are
> entirely surprised when I raise this. Definitely time to document
> this.

Thanks for re-iterating this. Although some of us from ARM are new to the
KMS world, there have been previous engagements with the community from
others in the company.

> 
> Last time this was a big discussion was about 6 years ago, when qcom
> tried to land a kernel driver without userspace. Dave Airlie made the
> rules really clear:

I'm guessing the topic was mainly about GPUs at that time. ARM's current
upstreaming efforts are limited to display engines and supporting the
open-source userspace with the mainline driver.

> 
> http://airlied.livejournal.com/73115.html
> 
> This write-up here is essentially what I've put into a presentation a
> while ago, which was also reviewed by Dave:
> 
> http://blog.ffwll.ch/2015/05/gfx-kernel-upstreaming-requirements.html
> 
> v2: Fix typos Eric&Rob spotted.
> 
> v3: Nitpick from Jani.
> 
> Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied at gmail.com>
> Cc: Oded Gabbay <oded.gabbay at gmail.com>
> Cc: Russell King <rmk+kernel at armlinux.org.uk>
> Cc: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen at ti.com>
> Cc: Eric Anholt <eric at anholt.net>
> Cc: Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom at vmware.com>
> Cc: Sinclair Yeh <syeh at vmware.com>
> Cc: Lucas Stach <l.stach at pengutronix.de>
> Cc: Benjamin Gaignard <benjamin.gaignard at linaro.org>
> Cc: Mark Yao <mark.yao at rock-chips.com>
> Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart at ideasonboard.com>
> Cc: Ben Skeggs <bskeggs at redhat.com>
> Cc: Rob Clark <robdclark at gmail.com>
> Cc: CK Hu <ck.hu at mediatek.com>
> Cc: Xinliang Liu <z.liuxinliang at hisilicon.com>
> Cc: Philipp Zabel <p.zabel at pengutronix.de>
> Cc: Stefan Agner <stefan at agner.ch>
> Cc: Inki Dae <inki.dae at samsung.com>
> Cc: Maxime Ripard  <maxime.ripard at free-electrons.com>
> Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon at free-electrons.com>
> Cc: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula at linux.intel.com>
> Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter at intel.com>
> Cc: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christian König <christian.koenig at amd.com>
> Cc: Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher at amd.com>
> Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel at redhat.com>
> Cc: Brian Starkey <brian.starkey at arm.com>
> Cc: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau at arm.com>

Reviewed-by: Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau at arm.com>

Best regards,
Liviu

> Cc: Alexey Brodkin <abrodkin at synopsys.com>
> Acked-by: Dave Airlie <airlied at gmail.com>
> Reviewed-by: Rob Clark <robdclark at gmail.com>
> Reviewed-by: Christian König <christian.koenig at amd.com>
> Reviewed-by: Eric Anholt <eric at anholt.net>
> Reviewed-by: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula at intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter at intel.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst | 67 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 67 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst b/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> index 94876938aef3..12b47c30fe2e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> @@ -36,6 +36,73 @@ Primary Nodes, DRM Master and Authentication
>  Open-Source Userspace Requirements
>  ==================================
>  
> +The DRM subsystem has stricter requirements than most other kernel subsystems on
> +what the userspace side for new uAPI needs to look like. This section here
> +explains what exactly those requirements are, and why they exist.
> +
> +The short summary is that any addition of DRM uAPI requires corresponding
> +open-sourced userspace patches, and those patches must be reviewed and ready for
> +merging into a suitable and canonical upstream project.
> +
> +GFX devices (both display and render/GPU side) are really complex bits of
> +hardware, with userspace and kernel by necessity having to work together really
> +closely.  The interfaces, for rendering and modesetting, must be extremely wide
> +and flexible, and therefore it is almost always impossible to precisely define
> +them for every possible corner case. This in turn makes it really practically
> +infeasible to differentiate between behaviour that's required by userspace, and
> +which must not be changed to avoid regressions, and behaviour which is only an
> +accidental artifact of the current implementation.
> +
> +Without access to the full source code of all userspace users that means it
> +becomes impossible to change the implementation details, since userspace could
> +depend upon the accidental behaviour of the current implementation in minute
> +details. And debugging such regressions without access to source code is pretty
> +much impossible. As a consequence this means:
> +
> +- The Linux kernel's "no regression" policy holds in practice only for
> +  open-source userspace of the DRM subsystem. DRM developers are perfectly fine
> +  if closed-source blob drivers in userspace use the same uAPI as the open
> +  drivers, but they must do so in the exact same way as the open drivers.
> +  Creative (ab)use of the interfaces will, and in the past routinely has, lead
> +  to breakage.
> +
> +- Any new userspace interface must have an open-source implementation as
> +  demonstration vehicle.
> +
> +The other reason for requiring open-source userspace is uAPI review. Since the
> +kernel and userspace parts of a GFX stack must work together so closely, code
> +review can only assess whether a new interface achieves its goals by looking at
> +both sides. Making sure that the interface indeed covers the use-case fully
> +leads to a few additional requirements:
> +
> +- The open-source userspace must not be a toy/test application, but the real
> +  thing. Specifically it needs to handle all the usual error and corner cases.
> +  These are often the places where new uAPI falls apart and hence essential to
> +  assess the fitness of a proposed interface.
> +
> +- The userspace side must be fully reviewed and tested to the standards of that
> +  userspace project. For e.g. mesa this means piglit testcases and review on the
> +  mailing list. This is again to ensure that the new interface actually gets the
> +  job done.
> +
> +- The userspace patches must be against the canonical upstream, not some vendor
> +  fork. This is to make sure that no one cheats on the review and testing
> +  requirements by doing a quick fork.
> +
> +- The kernel patch can only be merged after all the above requirements are met,
> +  but it **must** be merged **before** the userspace patches land. uAPI always flows
> +  from the kernel, doing things the other way round risks divergence of the uAPI
> +  definitions and header files.
> +
> +These are fairly steep requirements, but have grown out from years of shared
> +pain and experience with uAPI added hastily, and almost always regretted about
> +just as fast. GFX devices change really fast, requiring a paradigm shift and
> +entire new set of uAPI interfaces every few years at least. Together with the
> +Linux kernel's guarantee to keep existing userspace running for 10+ years this
> +is already rather painful for the DRM subsystem, with multiple different uAPIs
> +for the same thing co-existing. If we add a few more complete mistakes into the
> +mix every year it would be entirely unmanageable.
> +
>  Render nodes
>  ============
>  
> -- 
> 2.9.3
> 

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