[PATCH 2/4] drm/dp_mst: Only create connector for connected end device

Fri Oct 15 10:16:01 UTC 2021

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Thanks Lyude! And sorry for late reply.
I'm also struggling for other tasks so haven't get through your detail elaboration honestly.
Would like to take time to think through your elaboration : ) Anyway, will response it ASAP.

Thanks again!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyude Paul <lyude at redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:17 AM
> To: Lin, Wayne <Wayne.Lin at amd.com>; dri-devel at lists.freedesktop.org
> Cc: Kazlauskas, Nicholas <Nicholas.Kazlauskas at amd.com>; Wentland, Harry <Harry.Wentland at amd.com>; Zuo, Jerry
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> Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] drm/dp_mst: Only create connector for connected end device
>
> OK - got sidetracked by an issue at work but I just resumed working on this today, should hopefully have it done at the start of next week at
> the latest (hooray for having time to do things upstream again! :).
>
> On Tue, 2021-09-14 at 08:46 +0000, Lin, Wayne wrote:
> > [Public]
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lyude Paul <lyude at redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 6:00 AM
> > > To: Lin, Wayne <Wayne.Lin at amd.com>; dri-devel at lists.freedesktop.org
> > > Cc: Kazlauskas, Nicholas <Nicholas.Kazlauskas at amd.com>; Wentland,
> > > Harry <Harry.Wentland at amd.com>; Zuo, Jerry <Jerry.Zuo at amd.com>; Wu,
> > > Hersen <hersenxs.wu at amd.com>; Juston Li <juston.li at intel.com>; Imre
> > > Deak <imre.deak at intel.com>; Ville Syrjälä
> > > <ville.syrjala at linux.intel.com>; Daniel Vetter
> > > <daniel.vetter at ffwll.ch>; Sean Paul <sean at poorly.run>; Maarten
> > > Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst at linux.intel.com>; Maxime Ripard
> > > <mripard at kernel.org>; Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann at suse.de>; David
> > > Airlie <airlied at linux.ie>; Daniel Vetter <daniel at ffwll.ch>; Deucher,
> > > Alexander <Alexander.Deucher at amd.com>; Siqueira, Rodrigo
> > > <Rodrigo.Siqueira at amd.com>; Pillai, Aurabindo
> > > <Aurabindo.Pillai at amd.com>; Bas Nieuwenhuizen
> > > <bas at basnieuwenhuizen.nl>; Cornij, Nikola <Nikola.Cornij at amd.com>;
> > > Jani Nikula <jani.nikula at intel.com>; Manasi Navare
> > > <manasi.d.navare at intel.com>; Ankit Nautiyal
> > > <ankit.k.nautiyal at intel.com>; José Roberto de Souza
> > > <jose.souza at intel.com>; Sean Paul <seanpaul at chromium.org>; Ben
> > > Skeggs <bskeggs at redhat.com>; stable at vger.kernel.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] drm/dp_mst: Only create connector for
> > > connected end device
> > >
> > > Actually - did some more thinking, and I think we shouldn't try to
> > > make changes like this until we actually know what the problem is
> > > here. I could try to figure out what the actual race conditions I
> > > was facing before with trying to add/destroy connectors based on
> > > PDT, but we still don't even actually have a clear idea of what's broken here.
> > > I'd much rather us figure out exactly how this leak is happening
> > > before considering making changes like this, because we have no way
> > > of knowing if we've properly fixed it or not if we don't know what
> > > the problem is in the first place.
> > >
> > > I'm still happy to write up the topology debugging stuff I mentioned
> > > to you if you think that would help you debug this issue - since
> > > that would make it a lot easier for you to track down what
> > > references are keeping a connector alive (and additkionally, where
> > > those references were taken in code. thanks
> > > stack_depot!)
> > Hi Lyude,
> > Sorry for late response. A bit busy on other stuff recently..
> >
> > Really really thankful for all your help : ) I'm also glad to have the
> > debugging tool if it won’t bother you too much. But before debugging,
> > I need to have consensus with you about where do we expect to release
> > resource allocated for a stream sink when it's reported as
> > disconnected. Previous patch suggests releasing resource when
> > connector is destroyed which will happen when topology refcount
> > reaches zero (i.e. unplug mstb from topology). But when the case is
> > receiving CSN notifying connection change, we don't try to destroy
> > connector in this case now. And this is not caused by topology/malloc
> > refcount leak since I don't expect neither one of them get decrease to
> > zero under this case (topology of mstbs and ports is not changed).
> > Hence, my plan was to also try to destroy connector under this case
> > and the reason is reasonable to me as described in previous mail.
> > With this patch set, I can see connectors eventually get successfully
> > destroyed after userspace committing set_crtc() to free connectors
> > (although also need a fix on the connector refcount grabbed by
> > drm_client_modeset_probe() under specific scenario).
> >
> > I think the main problem I encountered here is that I couldn't find a
> > place that notify us to release resource allocated for a disconnected
> > stream sink when receive CSN. If we decide not to destroy connector
> > under this case, then I probably need some guidance about where to do
> > the release work.
> >
> > Thanks again Lyude!
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2021-08-31 at 18:47 -0400, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > (I am going to try responding to this tomorrow btw. I haven't been
> > > > super busy this week, but this has been a surprisingly difficult
> > > > email to respond to because I need to actually need to do a deep
> > > > dive some of the MST helpers tomorrow to figure out more of the
> > > > specifics on why I realized we couldn't just hot add/remove port->connector here).
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2021-08-25 at 03:35 +0000, Lin, Wayne wrote:
> > > > > [Public]
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Lyude Paul <lyude at redhat.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 5:18 AM
> > > > > > To: Lin, Wayne <Wayne.Lin at amd.com>;
> > > > > > dri-devel at lists.freedesktop.org
> > > > > > Cc: Kazlauskas, Nicholas <Nicholas.Kazlauskas at amd.com>;
> > > > > > Wentland, Harry <Harry.Wentland at amd.com>; Zuo, Jerry
> > > > > > <Jerry.Zuo at amd.com>; Wu, Hersen <hersenxs.wu at amd.com>; Juston
> > > > > > Li <juston.li at intel.com>; Imre Deak <imre.deak at intel.com>;
> > > > > > Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala at linux.intel.com>; Daniel Vetter
> > > > > > <daniel.vetter at ffwll.ch>; Sean Paul <sean at poorly.run>; Maarten
> > > > > > Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst at linux.intel.com>; Maxime Ripard
> > > > > > <mripard at kernel.org>; Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann at suse.de>;
> > > > > > David Airlie <airlied at linux.ie>; Daniel Vetter
> > > > > > <daniel at ffwll.ch>; Deucher, Alexander
> > > > > > <Alexander.Deucher at amd.com>; Siqueira, Rodrigo
> > > > > > <Rodrigo.Siqueira at amd.com>; Pillai, Aurabindo
> > > > > > <Aurabindo.Pillai at amd.com>; Bas Nieuwenhuizen
> > > > > > <bas at basnieuwenhuizen.nl>; Cornij, Nikola
> > > > > > <Nikola.Cornij at amd.com>; Jani Nikula <jani.nikula at intel.com>;
> > > > > > Manasi Navare <manasi.d.navare at intel.com>; Ankit Nautiyal
> > > > > > <ankit.k.nautiyal at intel.com>; José Roberto de Souza
> > > > > > <jose.souza at intel.com>; Sean Paul <seanpaul at chromium.org>; Ben
> > > > > > Skeggs <bskeggs at redhat.com>; stable at vger.kernel.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] drm/dp_mst: Only create connector for
> > > > > > connected end device
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think I might still be misunderstanding something, some
> > > > > > comments below
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2021-08-23 at 06:33 +0000, Lin, Wayne wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Lyude,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Really thankful for willing to explain in such details.
> > > > > > > > > Really appreciate.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm trying to fix some problems that observed after
> > > > > > > > > these 2 patches
> > > > > > > > > * 09b974e8983 drm/amd/amdgpu_dm/mst: Remove
> > > > > > > > > ->destroy_connector() callback
> > > > > > > > > * 72dc0f51591 drm/dp_mst: Remove
> > > > > > > > > drm_dp_mst_topology_cbs.destroy_connector
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With above patches, we now change to remove dc_sink when
> > > > > > > > > connector is about to be destroyed. However, we found
> > > > > > > > > out that connectors won't get destroyed after hotplugs.
> > > > > > > > > Thus, after few times hotplugs, we won't create any new
> > > > > > > > > dc_sink since number of sink is exceeding our
> > > > > > > > > limitation. As the result of that, I'm trying to figure
> > > > > > > > > out why the refcount of connectors won't get zero.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Based on my analysis, I found out that if we connect a
> > > > > > > > > sst monitor to a mst hub then connect the hub to the
> > > > > > > > > system, and then unplug the sst monitor from the hub. E.g.
> > > > > > > > > src - mst hub - sst monitor => src - mst hub  (unplug)
> > > > > > > > > sst monitor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Within this case, we won't try to put refcount of the
> > > > > > > > > sst monitor.
> > > > > > > > > Which is what I tried to resolve by [PATCH 3/4].
> > > > > > > > > But here comes a problem which is confusing me that if I
> > > > > > > > > can destroy connector in this case. By comparing to
> > > > > > > > > another case, if now mst hub is connected with a mst
> > > > > > > > > monitor like
> > > > > > > > > this:
> > > > > > > > > src - mst hub - mst monitor => src - mst hub  (unplug)
> > > > > > > > > mst monitor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We will put the topology refcount of mst monitor's
> > > > > > > > > branching unit in and
> > > > > > > > > drm_dp_port_set_pdt() and eventually call
> > > > > > > > > drm_dp_delayed_destroy_port() to unregister the
> > > > > > > > > connector of the logical port. So following the same
> > > > > > > > > rule, I think to dynamically unregister a mst connector
> > > > > > > > > is what we want and should be reasonable to also destroy
> > > > > > > > > sst connectors in my case. But this conflicts the idea
> > > > > > > > > what we have here. We want to create connectors for all output ports.
> > > > > > > > > So if dynamically creating/destroying connectors is what
> > > > > > > > > we want, when is the appropriate time for us to create
> > > > > > > > > one is what I'm considering.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Take the StartTech hub DP 1to4 DP output ports for instance.
> > > > > > > > > This hub, internally, is constructed by  3 1-to-2 mst
> > > > > > > > > branch chips. 2 output ports of 1st chip are hardwired
> > > > > > > > > to another 2 chips. It's how it makes it to support 1-to-4 mst branching.
> > > > > > > > > So within this case, the internal
> > > > > > > > > 2 output ports of 1st chip is not connecting to a stream
> > > > > > > > > sink and will never get connected to one.  Thus, I'm
> > > > > > > > > thinking maybe the best timing to attach a connector to
> > > > > > > > > a port is when the port is connected, and the connected
> > > > > > > > > PDT is determined as a stream sink.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sorry if I misunderstand anything here and really thanks
> > > > > > > > > for your time to shed light on this : ) Thanks Lyude.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's no problem, it is my job after all! Sorry for how
> > > > > > > > long my responses have been taking, but my plate seems to
> > > > > > > > be finally clearing up for the foreseeable future.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That being said - it sounds like with this we still aren't
> > > > > > > > actually clear on where the topology refcount leak is
> > > > > > > > happening - only when it's happening, which says to me
> > > > > > > > that's the issue we really need to be figuring out the
> > > > > > > > cause of as opposed to trying to workaround it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually - refcount leaks is an issue I've ran into a
> > > > > > > > number of times before in the past, so a while back I
> > > > > > > > actually added some nice debugging features to assist with debugging leaks.
> > > > > > > > If you enable the following options in your kernel config:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CONFIG_EXPERT=y # This must be set first before the next
> > > > > > > > option CONFIG_DRM_DEBUG_DP_MST_TOPOLOGY_REFS=y
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm suddenly realizing after typing this
> > > > > > > > that apparently I never bothered adding a way for us to
> > > > > > > > debug the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > refcounts of ports/mstbs that haven't been released yet -
> > > > > > > > only the ones for ones that have. This shouldn't be
> > > > > > > > difficult at all for me to add, so I'll send you a patch
> > > > > > > > either today or at the start of next week to try debugging
> > > > > > > > with using this, and then we can figure out where this leak is really coming from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Lyude!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry to bother you, but I would like to clarify this again.
> > > > > > > So it sounds
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's no problem! It's my job and I'm happy to help :).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > I would like to learn more from you as below : p
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > like you also agree that we should destroy associated
> > > > > > > connector
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not quite. I think a better way of explaining this might be to
> > > > > > point out that the lifetime of an MST port and its connector
> > > > > > isn't supposed to be determined by whether or not it has
> > > > > > something plugged into it - its lifetime is supposed to depend
> > > > > > on whether there's a valid path from us down the MST topology
> > > > > > to the port we're trying to reach. So an MSTB with ports that
> > > > > > is unplugged would destroy all of its ports - but an unplugged
> > > > > > port should just be the same as a disconnected DRM connector -
> > > > > > even if the port itself is just hosting a branching device.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the part a bit difficult to me. I treat DRM connector as
> > > > > the place where we associate with a stream sink. So if the
> > > > > statement is "All DP mst output ports are places we connect with
> > > > > stream sink", I would say false to this since I can find the
> > > > > negative example when output port is connected with mst branch
> > > > > device. Thus, looks like we could only determine whether to
> > > > > create a connector for an output port when the peer device type is known?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Additionally - we don't want to try "delaying" connector
> > > > > > creation either.
> > > > > > In the modern world hotplugging is almost always reliable in
> > > > > > normal situations, but even so there's still use cases for
> > > > > > wanting force probing for analog devices on DP converters and
> > > > > > just in general as it's a feature commonly used by developers
> > > > > > or users working around monitors with problematic HPD issues or EDID issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I understand that why we want to create connectors for
> > > > > all output ports here. But under these mentioned use cases,
> > > > > aren't we still capable to force connector to enable stream? MST
> > > > > hub with muti-functon capability, it will enumerate connected
> > > > > virtual DP peer device.
> > > > > For problematic HPD issues or EDID issues, their connection
> > > > > status is also connected.
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of output port is it is an internal node to
> > > > > help construct an end-to-end virtual channel between a stream
> > > > > source device and a stream sink device. Creating connectors for
> > > > > internal nodes within a virtual channel is a bit hard for me to get the idea.
> > > > > Please correct me if I misunderstand anything here. Thanks Lyude!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > when we unplug sst monitor from a mst hub in the case that I
> > > > > > > described? In the case I described (unplug sst monitor), we
> > > > > > > only receive CSN from the hub that notifying us the
> > > > > > > connection status of one of its downstream output ports is
> > > > > > > changed to disconnected. There is no topology refcount
> > > > > > > needed to be decreased on this disconnected port but the malloc refcount.
> > > > > > > Since the output port is still declared by
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apologies - I misunderstood your original mail as implying
> > > > > > that topology refcounts were being leaked - but it sounds like
> > > > > > it's actually malloc refcounts being leaked instead? In any
> > > > > > case - that means we're still tracing down a leak, just a malloc ref leak.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But, this still doesn't totally make sense to me. Malloc refs
> > > > > > only keep the actual drm_dp_mst_port/drm_dp_mst_branch struct
> > > > > > alive in memory.
> > > > > > Nothing else is kept around, meaning the DRM connector (and I
> > > > > > assume by proxy, the dc_sink) should both be getting dropped
> > > > > > still and the only thing that should be leaked is a memory allocation.
> > > > > > These things should instead be dropped once there's no longer
> > > > > > any topology references around. So, are we _sure_ that the
> > > > > > problem here is a missing
> > > > > > drm_dp_mst_port_put_malloc() or drm_dp_mst_mstb_put_malloc()?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my two cents, I don't think it's leak of malloc ref
> > > > > neither. As you said, malloc ref is dealing with the last step to free port/mstb.
> > > > > If there is still topology refcount on port/mstb in my case, we
> > > > > won't free port/mstb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we are unfortunately we don't have equivalent tools for
> > > > > > malloc() tracing. I'm totally fine with trying to add some if
> > > > > > we have trouble figuring out this issue, but I'm a bit
> > > > > > suspicious of the commits you mentioned that introduced this
> > > > > > problem. If the problem doesn't happen until those two
> > > > > > commits, then it's something in the code changes there that are causing this problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we probably also have the problem before these commits,
> > > > > but we didn't notice this before. Just when we change to clean
> > > > > up all things in dm_dp_mst_connector_destroy(), I start to try
> > > > > to figure out all these things out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The main thing I'm suspicious of just from looking at changes
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > 09b974e8983a4b163d4a406b46d50bf869da3073 is that the call to
> > > > > > amdgpu_dm_update_freesync_caps() that was previously in
> > > > > > dm_dp_destroy_mst_connector() appears to be dropped and not
> > > > > > re-added in (oh dear, this is a /very/ confusingly similar
> > > > > > function
> > > > >
> > > > > Lol. I also have hard time on this..
> > > > > > name!!!) dm_dp_mst_connector_destroy(). I don't remember if
> > > > > > this was intentional on my part, but does adding a call back
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > amdgpu_dm_update_freesync_caps() into
> > > > > > dm_dp_destroy_mst_connector() right before the
> > > > > > dc_link_remove_remote_sink() call fix anything?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As well, I'm far less suspicious of this one but does
> > > > > > re-adding this
> > > > > > hunk:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       aconnector->dc_sink = NULL;
> > > > > >       aconnector->dc_link->cur_link_settings.lane_count = 0;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After dc_sink_release() fix anything either?
> > > > >
> > > > > So the main problem is we don't have chance to call
> > > > > dc_link_remove_remote_sink() in the unplugging SST case. We only
> > > > > have chance to remove the remote sink of a link when unplug a mstb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the mst hub,  I think we shouldn't destroy the port.
> > > > > > > Actually, no ports nor mst branch devices should get
> > > > > > > destroyed in this case I think.
> > > > > > > The result of LINK_ADDRESS is still the same before/after
> > > > > > > removing the sst monitor except the
> > > > > > > DisplayPort_Device_Plug_Status/ Legacy_Device_Plug_Status.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hence, if you agree that we should put refcount of the
> > > > > > > connector of the disconnected port within the unplugging sst
> > > > > > > monitor case to release the allocated resource, it means we
> > > > > > > don't want to create connectors for those disconnected
> > > > > > > ports. Which conflicts current flow to create connectors for all declared output ports.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks again for your time Lyude!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >  Lyude Paul (she/her)
> > > > > >  Software Engineer at Red Hat
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Wayne
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >  Lyude Paul (she/her)
> > >  Software Engineer at Red Hat
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Wayne Lin
> >
>
> --
> Cheers,
>  Lyude Paul (she/her)
>  Software Engineer at Red Hat
--
Regards,
Wayne Lin