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    <span class="HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">In the meantime I have contacted everyone who
          could have something to do with it:</span></span><span class="jCAhz"><span class="ryNqvb">
          <br>
        </span></span><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Kernel
          groups</span></span><span class="jCAhz"><span class="ryNqvb">
        </span></span><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb"><br>
          System D</span></span><span class="jCAhz"><span class="ryNqvb">
          <br>
        </span></span><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Nvidia</span></span></span><br>
    <br>
    And gues:  <span class="HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Everyone says it's not their fault.<br>
          <br>
        </span></span></span><span class="HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">But we don't give up.
          Linux is such a beautiful and solid system.</span></span> <span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Why would it work with
          Windows and not Linux?</span></span></span><br>
    <span class="HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb"><br>
        </span></span></span><span class="HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Our analysis has now
          discovered that the problem does indeed come from the kernel.</span></span>
      <span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">The kernel does
          not allow several users to access a graphics card at the same
          time.</span></span><span class="jCAhz"><span class="ryNqvb">
        </span></span><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Indeed,
          to use it, several users need access to the graphics card at
          the same time.</span></span><span class="jCAhz"><span class="ryNqvb">
          <br>
        </span></span></span><span class="HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb">Can this simultaneous
          access be allowed by the kernel after all?</span></span> <span class="jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class="ryNqvb"><br>
          Or can the kernel be adjusted so that this would be possible?<br>
          <br>
          <br>
        </span></span></span><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 15/12/2023 om 10:59 schreef Gert
      Vanhaerents:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:DUZPR10MB8267520A4F44DA38339969A78E93A@DUZPR10MB8267.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM">
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      Op 4/12/2023 om 15:11 schreef Timur Tabi:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">On Mon, 2023-12-04 at 09:51 +0100, Gert
        Vanhaerents wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">OK  i will report it to nvidia. But with
          the nouveau drivers it's also not
          <br>
          working. Are you sure it's not a kernel problem?
          <br>
          Because according to systemd it would be a kernel problem. 
          (personaly i am
          <br>
          also thinking it's a driver problem)
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        Unfortunately, it's not easy for Nouveau to debug problems with
        GSP-RM.
        <br>
        However, if the problem exists in the proprietary driver, then
        Nvidia could
        <br>
        fix it.  That would then lead to a new version of OpenRM that
        Nouveau could
        <br>
        use.
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      I have contacted Nvidia and now i can see the outputs such like
      this:
      <br>
      <br>
      ─/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.1/0000:08:00.0/drm/card0
      <br>
                │ [MASTER] drm:card0
      <br>
                │
├─/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.1/0000:08:00.0/drm/card0/card0-DVI-D-1<br>
                │ │ [MASTER] drm:card0-DVI-D-1
      <br>
                │
├─/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.1/0000:08:00.0/drm/card0/card0-HDMI-A-1<br>
                │ │ [MASTER] drm:card0-HDMI-A-1
      <br>
                │
└─/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.1/0000:08:00.0/drm/card0/card0-VGA-1<br>
                │   [MASTER] drm:card0-VGA-1
      <br>
      <br>
      But the problem is now the same of with the Nouveau driver. When
      you do this:
      <br>
      <br>
      loginctl attach seat1
      /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.1/0000:08:00.0/drm/card0/card0-VGA-1
      <br>
      <br>
      For the seat1 (the VGA d-sub output for seat1 and the other HDMI
      output for seat0) and of course the mouse and keyboard.
      <br>
      <br>
      When you do this, all the graphics outputs are on the second seat
      (seat1) and not anymore on the first seat. So i need to move only
      the VGA output to seat1 and not all the outputs.
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      The problem is that linux can not start 2 or more window managers
      on one card (even if you don't need a multiseat, but use only one
      mouse and keyboard).
      <br>
      <br>
      So how can i fix that i can use more than one window manager on
      one physical graphics card? (without Xephyr or something because
      they are to outdated and works not good).
      <br>
      <br>
      I have tried with: Linux Mint, Ubuntu and Debian all the same
      problem.
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
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