Problem Suspending on Debian Etch

[David Zeuthen]

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 16:44 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> I think (IIRC) Ubuntu was going to use pm-utils for edgy, but they ran
> out of time. I'm fairly sure pm-utils will be used by edgy+1, and by
> Fedora Core 7.

What we need to do

 - fix up the "reload and parse a gazillion fdi files" issue in HAL

   I know both Richard and Kay been looking at this (Kay had a good
   patch but I was too busy/slacker to get it in) so suggest to
   finish this and send it to me every day until it's merged

 - create the hal-info repository - I will do this one of these days,
   right now it's more important to fix bugs in 0.5.8.* as many distros
   (including Fedora) is upgrading to 0.5.8.*. (Given all the changes
   from 0.5.7 (because I was too busy with to make a release) it's only
   fair this takes priority.

 - evangalize pm-utils, do some releases and make sure it works well.
   Get buy-in from distros. I expect pm-utils developers to do this.

 - switch HAL master to use pm-utils for 0.5.9 and deprecate other
   pm scripts. Scripts will still work though.

 - Release HAL 0.5.9 in December. 0.5.9 will still work if you haven't 
   got pm-utils.

 - After 0.5.9, distros can benefit from updates to hal-info to gain
   support for new quirks (e.g. better sleep support) without having
   to go through the pain of updating their HAL 0.5.9 package.

 - Make HAL 0.5.10 (probably out in February) use pm-utils exclusively.

That's one plan anyway. Ideally I'd just like to only support pm-utils
in 0.5.9 but that wouldn't exactly be fair to distributors. 

If you are a distributor and are concerned that HAL is forcing pm-utils
upon you for the 0.5.10 please state your concerns here so we can
discuss why pm-utils is not suitable for you. I mean, we can make
changes to pm-utils to address your concerns. Also, keep in mind that
pm-utils should be able to coexist with other mechanisms, upstream HAL
0.5.10 just won't use those.

If you are a distributor that thinks this is a good idea please also
reply. Just want to do a quick poll here. Speaking for Fedora I'm pretty
sure this is what we want to do, but then again I don't run Fedora.

In closing, what we have right now sucks and is a source of confusion
for end users, especially the ones that like to tinker with their
system. Making everyone switch to the same set of scripts and hooks is
bound to be a win-win situation for everyone.

Thanks for considering.

     David