From a.l.e at ideale.ch Mon May 4 00:17:42 2015 From: a.l.e at ideale.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:17:42 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] [CREATE] Posts, pics and other reports from this year LGM Message-ID: <55471D16.7080001@ideale.ch> salut julien is there a way (if possible not with an iframe...) to integrate that view in the 2015/ site? https://www.rebelmouse.com/LibreGraphicsMeeting/ ciao a.l.e From a.l.e at ideale.ch Mon May 4 05:05:52 2015 From: a.l.e at ideale.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 14:05:52 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] three new member candidates Message-ID: <554760A0.7040406@ideale.ch> hi the three following persons are asking to join the lgm-org list chris at w3.org /Chris Lilley/ langley.phillip at gmail.com /phil langley/ liam at holoweb.net /Liam R E Quin/ i could find philip and liam mentioned on the titanpad protocol (and are part of an organisation team ) but not chris. in which team is he? if nobody has something against it, i will accept the three people into the list. have fun a.l.e -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And if anyone knows an open source clone of Rebelmouse, I'd be happy to test it for next year. Have a nice day. Julien -- @xuv http://xuv.be http://p.xuv.be From a.l.e at ideale.ch Mon May 4 06:45:52 2015 From: a.l.e at ideale.ch (ale rimoldi) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 15:45:52 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] the lgm starts... mmm... tomorrow... Message-ID: <55477810.5070605@ideale.ch> hi, can somebody from the local or content teams make a post on the lgm site, with a nice picture of the lgm and a nice statement that the lgm is over and we are all happy and busy with our new ideas? ... currently, it's a bit sad to read there that the lgm starts tomorrow... in the future we should really avoid putting the blog on the main page. we (almost) never succeeded in using it. the main page should really be a redacted one. have nice way back home a.l.e From dave at lab6.com Mon May 4 07:20:43 2015 From: dave at lab6.com (Dave Crossland) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] three new member candidates In-Reply-To: <554760A0.7040406@ideale.ch> References: <554760A0.7040406@ideale.ch> Message-ID: On 4 May 2015 at 08:05, ale rimoldi wrote: > in which team is he? > I would default to content as that team is about bringing people to the event and Chris knows a lot of people :) Talking of this, is http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/about/organization-team/ up to date? > if nobody has something against it, i will accept the three people into > the list. > For me all are very welcome :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Julien -- @xuv http://xuv.be http://p.xuv.be From snelting at collectifs.net Mon May 4 08:50:47 2015 From: snelting at collectifs.net (Femke Snelting) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 17:50:47 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] three new member candidates In-Reply-To: <554760A0.7040406@ideale.ch> References: <554760A0.7040406@ideale.ch> Message-ID: <55479557.1090900@collectifs.net> Hello Ale, Chris volunteered to work on the 'examples' related to the Code of conduct (after discussion on Saturday morning; Liam will send his notes) Thanks for adding him! best, F On 2015-05-04 14:05, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi > > the three following persons are asking to join the lgm-org list > > chris at w3.org > /Chris Lilley/ > langley.phillip at gmail.com > /phil langley/ > liam at holoweb.net > /Liam R E Quin/ > > > > i could find philip and liam mentioned on the titanpad protocol (and are part of an organisation team ) but not chris. > > in which team is he? > > if nobody has something against it, i will accept the three people into the list. > > have fun > a.l.e > > > > _______________________________________________ > Libre-graphics-meeting-org mailing list > Libre-graphics-meeting-org at lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting-org > From snelting at collectifs.net Mon May 4 09:04:14 2015 From: snelting at collectifs.net (Femke Snelting) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 18:04:14 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] Pad org 2016 In-Reply-To: <55479685.50009@requiem4tv.com> References: <55479685.50009@requiem4tv.com> Message-ID: <5547987E.7010801@collectifs.net> le gingembre coons, not bad :-D F On 2015-05-04 17:55, Julien Deswaef wrote: > Hello everyone > > My brain just melted when I checked > https://titanpad.com/lgm-organisation2016 > > I'm guessing someone just viewed the page with an automatic translator. > > Got me a good laugh and sounds like a good idea for some pad > hacking/performance. > > Have fun. > > Julien > > > > > > > From dave at lab6.com Mon May 4 09:04:47 2015 From: dave at lab6.com (Dave Crossland) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 12:04:47 -0400 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] Pad org 2016 In-Reply-To: <55479685.50009@requiem4tv.com> References: <55479685.50009@requiem4tv.com> Message-ID: Hi haha, I grabbed the last English version and pasted it in at the top with a note On 4 May 2015 at 11:55, Julien Deswaef wrote: > Hello everyone > > My brain just melted when I checked > https://titanpad.com/lgm-organisation2016 > > I'm guessing someone just viewed the page with an automatic translator. > > Got me a good laugh and sounds like a good idea for some pad > hacking/performance. > > Have fun. > > Julien > > > > > > > > -- > @xuv > http://xuv.be > http://p.xuv.be > _______________________________________________ > Libre-graphics-meeting-org mailing list > Libre-graphics-meeting-org at lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting-org > -- Cheers Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wasn't sure of the name of the gentleman standing just outside the cirle of seats; his comments are attributed to "??" here, sorry for that. Liam -------------- next part -------------- ChrisL: Has it bee used other than at thes 4 days? Pippin: yes, e.g. on the list ginger - opportunity to talk abuot how we'd deal with situations, to work through a scale, verbal, physical, etc Femke - last year procedures & people would have helped last year liam - existance of CoC has given people an idea of how to behave, which may give a false impression of it not being useful. Femke - is there a risk that CoC will be broken up again? Schumaml - at least one person decided not to come because of CoC, and also distance (from Germany) lq: some people might have felt safer & more willing to come because of CofC ?? - cultural/lang difference, some people are very blune & oppositional, maybe saying "didn't come because of CoC" may be a manifestation of that personality. lq: - other gatherings have looked to lgm coc, and also attitudes are changing (cf. gamergate and positive reaction). [...] Femke - one issue remained, explicit examples of what counts as harassment. Not in here because we struggled with it. Argument was, if you're not explicit it means someone who felt harassed needs to argue their case. We referred at first to geek feminism site with history of incidents but that was putting focs too much on gender. pippin: opposed to it - I expect people to read the CofC, aftertaste can be of reading codes with examples "humanity sucks". ChrisL: in favour of examples in specs :-) but if yuo have 2 or 3, you've doubled the length and ppl will extrapolate from the example. Can mitigate by pro/con examples. Belongs linked in further information. ?? - I think we've a god starting point, want it to be organic.Tick is to try and encourage people to use your context to ask questions, "I saw this, is it OK?" ginger - also in 2 minds. Preparing the respondants we used docs from ontario human rights commission liam - separate doc with examples would be OK, don't want too much emphasis on CofC at conference as a whole. Andreas - what about 2 or 3 e.g. in separate document? ChrisL - the intent can rub off onto other people, e.g. not jumping queues but just respectful behaviour. [general discussion that harassment is subjective] [questions about cloaking rudenss in jokes, "that was a pretty good idea... for a non-develoepr] CONSENSUS: don't want examples in CofC Femke - purpose to help harassed to avoid having to battle to say, this was harassment. I'd like to make a document for next year that can be linked from CofC ChrisL - what about including positive e.g. too, Lena - or resolutions maybe liam - multiple goals - e.g. consider use of language in different cultures [recent example from the Netherlands where something said to be OK there is not OK here, so we need to explain that diffference] Schumaml - Creeper Move cards - red/yellow/green: red - what you did i felt harassed about; yellow is, that wasn't OK; green, I liked what yuo just said. Used at some conferences, mainly for people who don't want to talk to harasser, e.g. don't speak the language pippin: at another conference (ChaosCC) this went very badly. liam: saying "that was bad" can make ppl defensive; more effective is to say, "a better way to say this might be....." to take the focus away. Gives them the "Thoughtless" way out. ginger - protocol for responding has been ad hoc this year, what we developed on wednesday contact person collects info once approached write n paper supporters get in touch with other deal with people separately find witnesses if avail; if somone shaken up find a trusted helper if possible use paper, destroy them when issue resolved. Not email. (do use email e.g. to confirm when someone is banned from the conference) "three strikes" - warning, formal warning, asked to leave, geting e.g. campus police or venus security Lena will hink about local resources to help people CONSENSUS: retain existing text for CofC ??? - does the document need to be translated to local languages? discussion - [CREATE] list qestion on translation of CofC CONSENSUS: English one is normative because it was the one that was discussed and agreed on colaboratively. From snelting at collectifs.net Wed May 6 00:40:25 2015 From: snelting at collectifs.net (Femke Snelting) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:40:25 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] 20/05 new deadline for venue proposals LGM 2017? Message-ID: <5549C569.1020907@collectifs.net> Hello, As far as I know there are several ideas for LGM 2017 but no formal proposal was made yet. I propose to extend the deadline by a month, i.e. 20 May. If no objections, I'll circulate the extended deadline as of tomorrow! best, Femke From snelting at collectifs.net Wed May 6 00:41:51 2015 From: snelting at collectifs.net (Femke Snelting) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:41:51 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] Notes from conduct meeting In-Reply-To: <1430883121.31011.3.camel@holoweb.net> References: <1430883121.31011.3.camel@holoweb.net> Message-ID: <5549C5BF.9020809@collectifs.net> Thanks Liam, The gentleman in question was Gregory Pittman I think! F On 2015-05-06 05:32, Liam R. E. Quin wrote: > I took some notes in our conduct meeting; sending them as they are > before I forget. > > I wasn't sure of the name of the gentleman standing just outside the > cirle of seats; his comments are attributed to "??" here, sorry for > that. > > Liam > > > > _______________________________________________ > Libre-graphics-meeting-org mailing list > Libre-graphics-meeting-org at lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting-org > From dave at lab6.com Wed May 6 01:31:32 2015 From: dave at lab6.com (Dave Crossland) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 09:31:32 +0100 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] 20/05 new deadline for venue proposals LGM 2017? In-Reply-To: <5549C569.1020907@collectifs.net> References: <5549C569.1020907@collectifs.net> Message-ID: Sounds good! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5549C569.1020907@collectifs.net> References: <5549C569.1020907@collectifs.net> Message-ID: wonderful. Thank you! -HP On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Femke Snelting wrote: > Hello, > > As far as I know there are several ideas for LGM 2017 but no formal proposal > was made yet. I propose to extend the deadline by a month, i.e. 20 May. If > no objections, I'll circulate the extended deadline as of tomorrow! > > best, > > > Femke > _______________________________________________ > Libre-graphics-meeting-org mailing list > Libre-graphics-meeting-org at lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting-org From chris at w3.org Wed May 6 06:41:42 2015 From: chris at w3.org (Chris Lilley) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 15:41:42 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] Notes from conduct meeting In-Reply-To: <1430883121.31011.3.camel@holoweb.net> References: <1430883121.31011.3.camel@holoweb.net> Message-ID: <224982184.20150506154142@w3.org> Hello, Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 5:32:01 AM, Liam wrote: > CONSENSUS: retain existing text for CofC > > ??? - does the document need to be translated to local languages? > > discussion - [CREATE] list > > qestion on translation of CofC > > CONSENSUS: English one is normative because it was the one that was > discussed and agreed on colaboratively. ginger found out shortly afterwards that the CoC in French was linked from the LGM site (as one would expect for a conf taking place in Canada). We agreed that the English version was normative due to being the original form of the document, but we also agreed that translations were valuable, and welcome. I vaguely recall there was an offer of a Dutch translation? -- Best regards, Chris Lilley Technical Director, W3C Interaction Domain From snelting at collectifs.net Wed May 6 07:19:31 2015 From: snelting at collectifs.net (Femke Snelting) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 16:19:31 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] three new member candidates In-Reply-To: References: <554760A0.7040406@ideale.ch> Message-ID: <554A22F3.7080707@collectifs.net> Hey > Talking of this, is > http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/about/organization-team/ up to date? I've updated the page, also realising that between English, French and back to English we lost Loraine Furter from the meeting notes. She has committed to work on web + print design for next year, so she's back. If anyone not at the Toronto meeting wants to join one of the teams, of course more than welcome! Another thing is the so-called 'Global organization' that appeared in Madrid and that we did not really talk about again in Leipzig nor in Toronto. I did not want to take anyone off just like that but maybe good to know what to expect from this group, and confirm who is on. It seemed many taskes are already on other teams: *Global organization* People: Ale Rimoldi, Camille Bissuel, Dave Crossland, Femke Snelting, Hong-Phuc, Jon Nordby, Louis Desjardins, Maria Leandro, Mario Behling, Øyvind Kolås, Timothée Giet Tasks: ? This also somewhat important for deciding the next venue. The last two years we included everyone involved in organising LGM into the discussion and decision making process and that seemed to work. Talking of this, another of the many pages out of date on the -org site: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-selection-process-2 I'll try to get to that this weekend so we can still discuss/refine if needed before launching into it. F From snelting at collectifs.net Wed May 6 07:21:38 2015 From: snelting at collectifs.net (Femke Snelting) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 16:21:38 +0200 Subject: [Libre-graphics-meeting-org] Notes from conduct meeting In-Reply-To: <224982184.20150506154142@w3.org> References: <1430883121.31011.3.camel@holoweb.net> <224982184.20150506154142@w3.org> Message-ID: <554A2372.6020205@collectifs.net> Yes. Gijs de Heij offered to make a Dutch translation. Myriam Cea, in the mean time, volunteered to do a Spanish one. I'll follow them up on those offers ;-) F On 2015-05-06 15:41, Chris Lilley wrote: > Hello, > > Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 5:32:01 AM, Liam wrote: > >> CONSENSUS: retain existing text for CofC >> >> ??? - does the document need to be translated to local languages? >> >> discussion - [CREATE] list >> >> qestion on translation of CofC >> >> CONSENSUS: English one is normative because it was the one that was >> discussed and agreed on colaboratively. > > ginger found out shortly afterwards that the CoC in French was linked > from the LGM site (as one would expect for a conf taking place in > Canada). > > We agreed that the English version was normative due to being the > original form of the document, but we also agreed that translations > were valuable, and welcome. > > I vaguely recall there was an offer of a Dutch translation? > >