[Libre-graphics-meeting-org] logs / next meeting LGM2016: 9/12 21:00 CET

Wed Nov 25 12:46:19 PST 2015

Today we finalized the call that will be out next week and settled for 'Other Dimensions' as a tag-line for 2016; deadline for proposals will be January 15. http://piratepad.be/p/LGM-London-Call

Next meeting on Wednesday 9/12!

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(08:06:10 PM) F_S: hey laraaa pippin phillll ... who else?
(08:06:41 PM) a-l-e [~quassel at 2a02:1205:c6a2:4100:226:82ff:fe9d:8e25] entered the room.
(08:07:05 PM) F_S: ah hello a-l-e
(08:07:12 PM) F_S: also
(08:07:31 PM) a-l-e: ciao F_S
(08:07:46 PM) a-l-e: i might drop out... my computer is a bit at its limits...
(08:07:59 PM) F_S: ah
(08:08:12 PM) F_S: as long as you are not
(08:08:51 PM) F_S: i did only write plinnell today, as you saw
(08:09:27 PM) pippin: in the start of the special focus paragraph - I find it odd to primarily refer to last years LGM
(08:09:50 PM) phillll:  fair comment
(08:11:32 PM) F_S: ah pippin phillll i made some changes too
(08:13:37 PM) phillll: ok - how about moving the refernce to 2015 to a bit earlier in the call?
(08:13:50 PM) F_S: pippin: but it is just a way in, right?
(08:14:01 PM) phillll: i think it is nice to try to link the themes from one to another?
(08:14:15 PM) F_S: earlier as in to the general part -- yes, i thought that worked
(08:14:25 PM) phillll: yep
(08:14:38 PM) F_S: i mean connection between 'future' and 'other dimensions'
(08:15:01 PM) F_S: pfff i thought the connection between 'future' and 'other dimensions' worked
(08:15:29 PM) natuk [~thanasis at 83.217.96.156] entered the room.
(08:15:43 PM) pippin: to me the presence of the year 2015 in the special focus section is strange
(08:16:04 PM) pippin: since this is a call about 2016 and the special focus for the conference of 2016
(08:16:17 PM) laraaa: it only mentions it as an intro to the next theme...
(08:16:39 PM) F_S: i think so too, but if it creates issues we can work around
(08:16:43 PM) laraaa: decade was a theme, ye?
(08:17:22 PM) phillll: beyond the first decade
(08:18:16 PM) F_S: yes indeed
(08:18:19 PM) laraaa: yes, that's right
(08:18:30 PM) natuk left the room.
(08:19:03 PM) laraaa: i find it more confusing before the heading though
(08:19:12 PM) F_S: yes me too
(08:19:19 PM) F_S: can i try for a minute>
(08:19:21 PM) F_S: ?
(08:19:26 PM) pippin: Does it even need contextualising couldn't it just start "This year we would like to specially encourage explorations of space and material: 3d modelling and animation, Libre..."
(08:20:52 PM) laraaa: yes, that can work
(08:24:39 PM) F_S: ok
(08:25:09 PM) pippin: a way to get rid of the 2015, and trim down the word count is: "Last year in Toronto we reflected on the past decade and considered the future." - though I think the special focus should be able to stand on its own
(08:25:20 PM) F_S: so have a look, pippin i like the continuity from 2015 to this year's focus
(08:25:42 PM) phillll: F_S  those changes look good to me...
(08:27:31 PM) F_S: hah almost there i think, pippin what do you think?
(08:28:25 PM) phillll: it does work better without having the number 2015 in there i think
(08:28:45 PM) pippin: the number was particularly jarring
(08:28:52 PM) F_S: ok
(08:29:34 PM) phillll: how does everyone feel about the 'other dimensions'....
(08:31:37 PM) phillll: you can see a preview of the 2016 logo that goes with it...
(08:31:38 PM) laraaa: i'm good with it + thanks for adding sustainability phil
(08:31:40 PM) phillll: https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2016/blob/master/LOGO/LOGOWINDOW.svg
(08:31:41 PM) mrscribe: Title: htdocs-2016/LOGOWINDOW.svg at master · libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2016 · GitHub (at github.com)
(08:32:36 PM) F_S: i'm happy with it, great
(08:32:38 PM) F_S: ah
(08:33:19 PM) pippin: my webbrowser is unable to show that link
(08:33:45 PM) pippin: but I like 'other dimensions'
(08:34:12 PM) phillll: maybe this...mock up of the website...
(08:34:14 PM) phillll: https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2016/blob/master/BACKGROUND/Gimp-glitch-art-background-V1.png
(08:34:15 PM) mrscribe: Title: htdocs-2016/Gimp-glitch-art-background-V1.png at master · libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2016 · GitHub (at github.com)
(08:35:28 PM) F_S: ah ffox did not want to preview
(08:35:36 PM) F_S: ahh i want the t-shirt!
(08:35:38 PM) F_S: great
(08:35:39 PM) pippin: on the *State of the Libre Graphics Union* part of the call, perhaps include some wording like: "For particular big or new topics/features in our established proejcts we encourage stand-alone submission on the rather than general update talks."
(08:35:55 PM) F_S: ok good
(08:35:57 PM) phillll: yes
(08:36:07 PM) pippin: eew, broken language :]
(08:36:29 PM) F_S: to also ... ?
(08:36:59 PM) F_S: i mean it would to have them also in state of the LGU and not just as stand-alone, right
(08:37:40 PM) pippin: for established projects, yes
(08:37:54 PM) F_S: eh
(08:38:12 PM) F_S: does not really matter, right and what is 'established'
(08:38:44 PM) pippin: well,.. for projects "we" haven't heard about, almost with the title "introducing foo" - we still want submissions
(08:39:31 PM) F_S: ah ok get what you mean, need to be affirmative i guess
(08:39:40 PM) pippin: part of the point of state-of-libre graphics is getting away from each libre-graphics project feeling obliged to have a talk in the schedule
(08:40:25 PM) F_S: yes but this added sentence is confusing
(08:42:23 PM) F_S: so two goals right: to get a quick overview, and to avoid slot-filling by well-known projects that don't have that much to talk about
(08:43:02 PM) pippin: nod
(08:44:32 PM) F_S: not great yet, but this gets a bit more in direction i think?
(08:45:06 PM) F_S: "Libre Graphics eco-system" hmmm
(08:45:20 PM) F_S: planet? universe? community?
(08:45:58 PM) phillll: solar system
(08:46:05 PM) F_S: galaxy!
(08:46:14 PM) F_S: "other dimensions"
(08:46:22 PM) pippin: community? :d
(08:46:30 PM) phillll: cult?
(08:47:24 PM) F_S: ahhh
(08:47:24 PM) pippin: a separate call was issued for the state of libre graphics last year, http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2015/state-of-libre-graphics/
(08:47:26 PM) mrscribe: Title: State of Libre Graphics | Libre Graphics Meeting 2015: Beyond the First Decade (at libregraphicsmeeting.org)
(08:47:31 PM) F_S: "we invite every team present at LGM"
(08:48:02 PM) pippin: doing that again might be smart, since it also provides more content to communicate on mailinglists/web in the build up towards the meeting
(08:48:22 PM) phillll: yes, good point
(08:48:38 PM) F_S: yes, let's do that again -- needs a moment on the agenda
(08:48:39 PM) laraaa: +1
(08:49:50 PM) phillll: so, we will have a separate page on the website for this, also linked to from the main call
(08:50:46 PM) F_S: yes
(08:50:58 PM) phillll: ok
(08:51:29 PM) laraaa: ok
(08:54:35 PM) phillll: actually, how are the submission handled on the site? (i cant remember from last year?!). is it an email submission, or is there a form?
(08:54:41 PM) F_S: have changed the order of available formats -- think really *every* team should submit minimum 2 slides for that
(08:54:52 PM) F_S: phillll: there is a form
(08:55:15 PM) phillll: ok
(08:55:22 PM) F_S: so it collects the entries in a wordpress
(08:55:29 PM) F_S: table
(08:55:32 PM) phillll: ok
akv a-l-e Animtim ankh
(08:56:07 PM) laraaa: a form
(08:56:32 PM) F_S: and a-l-e has made a hack to make it easier to send batch e-mails to confirm when submissions are accepted (or not)
(08:57:03 PM) laraaa: yup, it was really easy and quick, i did it last year
(08:57:08 PM) F_S: yeah
(08:57:26 PM) plinnell left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
(08:57:28 PM) phillll: sounds smooth
(08:57:38 PM) F_S: laraaa: did you already go over the forms or should we do that together soon
akv a-l-e Animtim ankh
(08:57:52 PM) laraaa: together soon
(08:58:19 PM) F_S: ok -- friday or monday i guess, if call goes out "end of this month"
(08:58:20 PM) laraaa: ale&manuel will start implementation on saturday
(08:58:24 PM) F_S: ok
(08:59:05 PM) a-l-e: yep
(08:59:19 PM) F_S: weekend, tuesday i'm not available for it so ... Friday?
(08:59:35 PM) F_S: let me know laraaa
(08:59:57 PM) laraaa: ok, i'd rather leave it for monday before 6pm if pos - in serbia now
(09:00:38 PM) F_S: oh ok yes
(09:00:50 PM) laraaa: cant remember what did we say about next london org irc?
(09:01:16 PM) F_S: don't think we planned one yet
(09:01:38 PM) F_S: pippin: ok with text as it is?
(09:02:37 PM) F_S: for practical details, should we announce when decision is going to be communicated?
(09:03:57 PM) laraaa: you mean cfp decision?
(09:04:40 PM) F_S: yes
(09:04:41 PM) laraaa: >Programme published: 15 February
(09:04:57 PM) laraaa: it's on the top of the page
(09:05:17 PM) F_S: well there is some work/time between decision and publishing of program
(09:05:43 PM) F_S: it is just that it influences people's decision to travel, as it influences possible funding
(09:06:05 PM) laraaa: yes - deadline 10th jan, notification end of jan, publication 15th feb?
(09:06:07 PM) F_S: so the earlier the better
(09:06:09 PM) F_S: ok
(09:06:11 PM) phillll: ok
(09:06:25 PM) F_S: perfect
(09:07:40 PM) F_S: so if work on site goes well, we can start circulating the call on Wednesday?
(09:07:59 PM) laraaa: yes, big shout out to phil!
(09:08:03 PM) F_S: yeah
(09:08:16 PM) F_S: so how did that go? the logo is really nice!
(09:08:38 PM) laraaa: rollercoaster
(09:08:52 PM) phillll: had some interesting experience with the students and the use (or otherwise) of open source software!
(09:09:02 PM) laraaa: but i think students are learning big time
(09:09:02 PM) F_S: haha
(09:09:02 PM) a-l-e: euh... you want the site to be ready for wed?
(09:09:16 PM) F_S: am just asking!
(09:09:31 PM) a-l-e: ... mmm... ok, i did miss the question, then...
(09:09:46 PM) a-l-e:
(09:09:58 PM) F_S: as the call was planned for end november, and this coincides with the site being there i was asking about when to send out the call
(09:10:17 PM) F_S: what is your planning for this?
(09:10:34 PM) F_S: or do we separate the two?
(09:10:49 PM) a-l-e: mmm... it would be nice if there wuold be somebody taking care of the css/html like the previous years...
(09:11:29 PM) laraaa: isn't that manuel?
(09:11:45 PM) a-l-e: if manuel and me have to do both the theme and make sure that the infrastructure works it might or not be a bit short...
(09:12:20 PM) laraaa: mmm, ok, i'll email loraine again then
(09:12:41 PM) a-l-e: i don't know who did it last year... but i'm not sure it was manuel.
(09:12:41 PM) laraaa: i know she's busy but had offered a hand on more than one occassion
(09:12:50 PM) a-l-e: manuel is for sure good at doing it. i can also do it.
(09:12:52 PM) F_S: ok she offered last year firmly and i trust her
(09:13:03 PM) F_S: on that
(09:13:05 PM) laraaa: unfortunately i duid not keep her in the loop as i thought manule is up for it
(09:13:10 PM) F_S: ohh
(09:13:12 PM) F_S: ok
(09:13:17 PM) a-l-e: but i'm cannot promise you now that it will be done by wed.
(09:13:38 PM) laraaa: we were in touch a couple weeks ago...
(09:13:38 PM) a-l-e: i think that she does not have the time... but you can ask...
(09:13:51 PM) laraaa: ale you remeber
(09:14:29 PM) a-l-e: anyway, manuel and i will meet on saturday and by saturday evening can for sure say if it's feasable for wed
(09:14:30 PM) F_S: pippin: what do you think, call out on & december?
(09:14:39 PM) F_S: oops 7 december?
(09:14:43 PM) a-l-e: ok, tim e for some sleep here...
akv a-l-e Animtim ankh
(09:14:50 PM) a-l-e: i'll read the log tomorrow...
(09:14:52 PM) phillll: i can assist a little with the theme - i am not super proficient though....
(09:15:12 PM) F_S: ok a-l-e can you let us know after saturday, that zould be great
(09:15:18 PM) F_S: z = w
akv a-l-e Animtim ankh
akv a-l-e Animtim ankh
(09:15:42 PM) pippin: F_S: call out, in the form of both email and a linkable article on the website?
(09:16:02 PM) F_S: yes. i think they should coincide
(09:16:11 PM) phillll: yes
(09:16:19 PM) laraaa: +1
(09:16:56 PM) F_S: so we'll see, maybe it is smooth and wednesday is feasible, if not we go for monday 7, allright?
(09:17:02 PM) phillll: ok
(09:17:15 PM) laraaa: ok
(09:17:22 PM) F_S: i prefer this week, for sure but if it can't be done it is the way it is
(09:17:23 PM) pippin: ok
(09:18:25 PM) F_S: laraaa: and we fix the form Monday at 5 CET is that ok?
(09:18:37 PM) F_S: 17:00
(09:18:57 PM) laraaa: that's 4pm london, perfect
(09:19:18 PM) F_S: ok great
(09:19:54 PM) F_S: super curious about the theme etc.
(09:20:15 PM) tobias__ left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
(09:20:19 PM) F_S: phillll are there any traces of the work you did with the students?
(09:20:42 PM) laraaa: https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2016
(09:20:43 PM) mrscribe: Title: libregraphicsmeeting/htdocs-2016 · GitHub (at github.com)
(09:21:05 PM) laraaa: all there,
(09:21:28 PM) F_S: ok, i'll need to go through to see whats there
(09:21:39 PM) laraaa: there will be lots more at a little show of student work during the lgm
(09:21:52 PM) F_S: ah that is good news
(09:22:22 PM) F_S: so ... 10m left, anything that needs doing now?
(09:22:26 PM) a-l-e left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 252 seconds).
(09:22:29 PM) laraaa: will tell you more, it was a learning curve for all
(09:22:40 PM) phillll: this is the 'final' proposition for the website etc. there will also be a wide wide range on keepsakes available - i am pushing for jewellery
(09:22:59 PM) F_S: oh!
(09:23:09 PM) laraaa: haha
(09:23:23 PM) F_S: lgm charms ...
(09:23:27 PM) F_S: yeah
(09:23:31 PM) phillll: open source product design. in action
(09:23:46 PM) laraaa: how/when we fix next ldn org irc?
(09:23:56 PM) laraaa: and i gotta go soon too
(09:24:13 PM) F_S: in two weeks? what do you think?
(09:24:15 PM) phillll: shall we do the 7th dec
(09:24:24 PM) F_S: so monday
(09:24:40 PM) phillll: sorry, meant 9th
(09:24:49 PM) laraaa: yup - works for me
(09:24:53 PM) F_S: ok good for me
(09:25:11 PM) phillll: we will have the site and the call by then...
(09:25:22 PM) laraaa: i teach on 9th so a later start would be appreciated
(09:26:04 PM) F_S: yes, so we can move to other things. would be great if you can make a list of things/agenda that needs to be discussed
(09:26:12 PM) F_S: ok one hour later?
(09:26:26 PM) phillll: yes, would be good for me too
(09:26:31 PM) laraaa: yes
(09:26:37 PM) F_S: 20:00 UK / 21:00 CET
(09:26:42 PM) F_S: pippin ?
(09:26:44 PM) phillll: exhibition is the next big thing for discussion...
(09:26:51 PM) F_S: nice.
(09:27:00 PM) laraaa: indeed
(09:27:02 PM) pippin: I'm not travelling that day; so should be able to make it work
(09:27:51 PM) F_S: ok good. so let me send the log to the list ie close the meeting
akv Animtim ankh
(09:28:05 PM) gingercoons [~Adium at public-125-38.nat.utoronto.ca] entered the room.
gingercoons gnokii gwidion_
(09:28:23 PM) F_S: hey gingercoons
(09:28:39 PM) gingercoons: hi all. apologies for being so late. got thrown off by timezones
(09:28:48 PM) laraaa: cool peeps, good to see ya'ol good night from chilly novi sad +hi gc
(09:30:05 PM) tobias__ [~tobias at x4d03b505.dyn.telefonica.de] entered the room.
(09:30:09 PM) F_S: gingercoons just closing the meeting :-/ maybe you want to still throw an eye on the call ?
(09:30:23 PM) F_S: http://piratepad.be/p/LGM-London-Call
(09:30:24 PM) mrscribe: Title: Etherpad Lite (at piratepad.be)
(09:30:45 PM) gingercoons: I've got it open and am looking now
(09:30:58 PM) F_S: will need to go soon too, but would appreciate it. great
(09:33:28 PM) gingercoons: I'm removing a couple commas that don't work quite right :p
(09:34:08 PM) F_S: ah, i knew it, i knew it could be better
(09:34:55 PM) laraaa left the room.
(09:35:03 PM) gingercoons: other than the rogue commas, it looks great!
(09:35:22 PM) F_S: haha rogue comma's. ok, that's good news
(09:35:44 PM) phillll: continual improvement!