[LGM] Draft call for presentations LGM 2015

Sat Dec 13 10:48:54 PST 2014

Hello!

The LGM program team (ginger, Greg White from the local team, pippin, ale, lara and me) met today on IRC to discuss the upcoming call for the tenth edition of LGM (Toronto, 29 April - 2 May 2015). Notes from the discussion and draft here: https://lgm.titanpad.com/7 and in the attached IRC-archive.

We're aiming to finish the call next week and publish it before the end of the year. Early January we'll start campaigning to get as many good submissions as possible.

Looking forward,

Femke
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(18:01:44) pippin: ___
(18:01:57) a-l-e: hi
(18:02:08) gingercoons: hiya
(18:02:20) laraaa [~lara at 220.124.90.146.dyn.plus.net] entered the room.
(18:03:10) laraaa: hi all
(18:03:32) gingercoons: hi laraaa
(18:04:15) pippin: relevant link: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/call-for-participation-2/
(18:05:41) F_S: hey, yes!
(18:05:50) gr3gjsmith [b8af2187 at gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.175.33.135] entered the room.
(18:05:53) a-l-e: ... or https://lgm.titanpad.com/7 ...
(18:06:09) gingercoons: excellent. gr3gjsmith makes us a full group
(18:06:46) F_S: also, there's the call for State of Libre Graphics http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/create/2014-March/004881.html
(18:06:47) mrscribe: Title: [CREATE] Call for slides for 'State of Libre Graphics' at LGM in Leipzig. (at lists.freedesktop.org)
(18:07:06) pippin: last year the call for participation coincided with launching the website, that was bad timing, if possible - a new website should be online before making the call public
(18:07:33) pippin: a-l-e: that pad requires login/password, and the ones cached in my browser does not work
(18:07:48) gingercoons: a-l-e, any word from the infrastructure team on the state of the new website?
(18:07:57) F_S: hmm but the call published on the lgm site is ok?
(18:08:01) tobias_ [~tobias at mnsr-4db1d3ff.pool.mediaWays.net] entered the room.
(18:08:13) a-l-e: pippin: does not seem to require a password here...
(18:08:49) a-l-e: gingercoons: as far asi i know from our side we only have to switch the dns.
(18:09:03) a-l-e: i have to find the time to first make a finaly backup and then switch over.
(18:09:08) a-l-e: will be done soon.
(18:09:13) gingercoons: awesome
(18:09:32) a-l-e: and then we are waiting for the local team for filling out... i have not checked the progress though.
(18:09:44) a-l-e: you should have got credentials and link from manuel.
(18:09:48) a-l-e: iirc
(18:10:01) gingercoons: I didn't get any credentials, as far as I know
(18:10:07) gingercoons: was going to ask you about that today, actually
(18:10:18) a-l-e: not the right time :-) just send me an email.
(18:10:41) F_S: is there a place you prefer taking notes for the 2015 call?
(18:11:20) F_S: seems I have no account on https://lgm.titanpad.com
(18:12:52) pippin: F_S: I had to manually re-edit the URL in the browser to enter that pad
(18:12:56) a-l-e: F_S: you probably never asked to have one.
akv a-l-e Animtim 
(18:13:05) a-l-e: however, the link above should be editable without having an account...
(18:13:29) F_S: could be a-l-e :-) can you make a new page for 2015 ?
(18:13:46) laraaa: it works from here
(18:14:12) a-l-e: F_S: i've renamed the pad
(18:14:21) a-l-e: it's 2015 now
(18:15:19) F_S: ok!
(18:15:20) a-l-e: everybody who wants an account for the lgm titanpad can mail me and i'll open one .
(18:16:03) F_S: ginger can you start with some ideas about slots, themes, etc?
(18:16:33) gingercoons: sure. shall we chat about it at all here, or just do it in the pad?
(18:17:58) pippin: the specific wording of the call can probably wait until we know what/if we want to change much
(18:19:01) ***F_S moving to pad
(18:21:01) ***pippin leaves in T-35min, to catch a train
(18:21:02) a-l-e: one important question: what kind of public should we expect?
(18:21:25) a-l-e: which public do we want to attract?
(18:21:37) gingercoons: I believe the standard LGM public, plus extras from the local universities and tech/art communities
(18:26:20) F_S: ok if pippin needs to leave soon, i guess this is what needs to be addressed:
(18:26:29) F_S: "from several people who relate  with the "traditional" graphics software, i've heard a complain: the LGM  does not focus enough on their needs and wishes." (ale)
(18:28:40) pippin: ale: people who relate with the "traditional" graphics software - do you mean operators of the software? or programming contributors?
(18:29:00) a-l-e: contributors.
(18:29:52) a-l-e: people who are actively involved in the communities.
(18:29:54) pippin: we can slightly twist the type of proposals we get through the call...
(18:31:09) pippin: but mostly we get proposals from people that already know and like LGM, as you know - we are not turning many talks away at all, thus the call itself can only slightly bend that mix - mostly for potential new presenters
(18:31:49) a-l-e: i have the feeling that we have to actively look for interesting talks and not wait that they are submitted. at least in that field.
(18:32:44) a-l-e: and bug the programmers/main contributors to get from them some ideas on what they want to get.
(18:33:15) pippin: a-l-e: I can give you a long list of talks I'd like to see - but no-one to present them ;)
(18:33:25) F_S: ok a-l-e i do that for the people around me, maybe we need to activate contributors to do that
(18:33:44) F_S: this time we'll have many inkscapers around
(18:33:47) F_S: so that's good
(18:33:59) gingercoons: yeah! hadn't had a chance to mention that yet :)
(18:34:09) a-l-e: exactly, you did it and we got very interesting talks that more on the art side of LGM... IMO we need a similar effort on the tech side.
(18:34:18) gingercoons: it looks like there are a few things that are going to happen pre-LGM, one of which is an Inkscape hack week
(18:34:28) F_S: yes, very happy
(18:34:30) jghali [~jghali at ADijon-157-1-94-252.w90-56.abo.wanadoo.fr] entered the room.
(18:34:33) laraaa: great
(18:35:09) a-l-e: and, pippin, i guess that having your list could be a good start :-)
akv a-l-e Animtim 
(18:35:21) gingercoons: if we can draw more developers in by having things like that, then all the better. give people the opportunity to turn the days before LGM into face-to-face work time if they want to
(18:35:42) F_S: yes
(18:35:57) F_S: there will be spaces for that gingercoons ?
(18:36:05) gingercoons: we'll find the space
(18:36:17) pippin: a-l-e: I'm not volunteering to write that list, the point is a lot of things are interesting, in particular if you put "new approaches to: foo" as the title ;)
(18:36:29) gingercoons: so far, in the proposals for those things that have been coming in without provocation, I've been finding and booking space on a case-by-case basis
(18:36:43) F_S: ok
(18:36:48) gingercoons: I kind of think that, rather than subjecting that to a public call, we might want to keep it relatively selective
(18:37:17) gingercoons: people who, of their own accord, want to do that, or maybe people you all think are crucial to get involved, who could be invited to do pre-meeting stuff
(18:37:29) F_S: ok, just wondering if there's a hackerspace or something that wants to host pre and after meet-ups
(18:37:54) gingercoons: I can ask around on that one. the three I've dealt with so far, I'm just booking space for in the university
(18:38:12) pippin: I primarily volunteer time to help pick talks/deconflicting the schedule, and likely do the "state of libre graphics" thing again if no-one else steps up ;)
(18:38:15) gingercoons: but there are definitely a few good offsite spaces I could try to hook us up with as well, if there's interest
(18:39:12) F_S: ok pippin any suggestion for who can help out with getting more contributors to come talk
(18:39:42) F_S: and great you are so willingly volunteering to do state of libre graphics :-D
(18:40:11) a-l-e: pippin: i don't expect you to write that list, but since you wrote that you could write a list of talks that you'd like to see at LGM, it wouldn't be that bad if you could indeed contribute that list.
(18:41:09) pippin: a-l-e: last year I stated that I'd love more live-coding related talks to be at LGM, that didnt cause more live coding talks to be at LGM
(18:41:35) pippin: nor did my outreach efforts in trying to get some of my friends in that community to come to LGM really work out
(18:42:19) F_S: ok i start a wishlist
(18:42:20) F_S: but
(18:43:07) F_S: are there any suggestions from those that felt lgm was not for them, what to do to change it and h they could help
(18:43:14) F_S: and if they could help ? 
(18:43:16) F_S: ;-)
(18:45:16) F_S: are there any changes to be made to the process, schedule that could help?
(18:47:23) F_S: ok 
(18:48:43) F_S: so we try out a parallel workshop track, free up lunch breaks again for meetings
(18:49:05) F_S: stress the need for contributors in the call
(18:49:30) pippin: when it comes to the "art"/"code" balance, I prefer complaints that there is too much "art", to complaints that there is too much "code", both of them are culture, and I think for LGM it is a good place to be in to have to focus on getting more "code" ;D
(18:49:33) gingercoons: and run our days basically as in previous editions, with a relatively humane start time and an early-evening end time
(18:50:19) F_S: agree to both ;-)
(18:50:41) laraaa: yeah, i've been thinking about madrid - talks were all in the afternoon?
(18:51:04) F_S: not really -- there we extended into evenings
(18:51:07) F_S: days were long
(18:51:20) laraaa: ah, i must have forgotten am sessions :(
(18:51:27) F_S: np
(18:51:43) gingercoons: I was thinking something like 10am start, which is late enough to drag onesself out of bed, even if it's been a late night
(18:52:02) F_S: so to get the call out before end of the year (i agree that it is useful) how do we proceed?
(18:52:48) gingercoons: I'd hazard that we could use most of the call from last year, sub in some new numbers for things, and then write a new "special focus" thematic paragraph
(18:53:44) F_S: ok, yes. you have time to do a proposal any time soon?
(18:54:09) F_S: it should be done next week i guess
(18:54:19) gingercoons: for the "special focus" paragraph? totally. I could add something this afternoon
(18:54:30) F_S: ok super
(18:55:02) F_S: i could be there for a meeting next week at some point to finish it
(18:55:13) gingercoons: if it's okay with everyone else, I'll start cutting up the pasted text from last year that's in the pad
(18:55:20) ***pippin heads off, but might check back with low bandwidth smart-phone ssh irc
(18:55:43) F_S: ah pippin from public transport, great
(18:56:21) F_S: yeah go for it gingercoons
(18:56:35) hongphuc left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
(18:58:38) gingercoons: cool. so aside from getting to work on the call, is there anything else we need to talk about today?
(18:59:55) gr3gjsmith: I’ve been lurking. Will chime in when call is ready/disseminated and work with Ginger to rattle the sabres/attract attention here in TO.
gingercoons gnokii gr3gjsmith gwidion_ 
(19:00:14) F_S: great to have you gr3gjsmith
(19:00:38) gingercoons: awesome! hope you've had some enjoyable lurking so far :)
(19:03:25) F_S: might be good to discuss some kind of slogan, header that expresses the theme?
(19:03:55) F_S: eh ... 'Libre Graphics Meeting 2015: The First Decade' 
(19:04:02) gingercoons: hm. nice.
akv a-l-e Animtim 
(19:05:09) F_S: gr3gjsmith a-l-e laraaa what do you think?
(19:05:31) laraaa: that sounds more like a summary, a retrospective. i'm trying to come up with something...
(19:05:37) F_S: ok :-)
(19:07:03) laraaa: how about Libre graphics meeting 2015: 10+
(19:07:14) laraaa: thinking, thinking
(19:07:18) F_S: ok get your drift
(19:08:06) gingercoons: I think we could do a lot of scaffolding that would  make "the first decade" still work as something forward looking, like emphasizing the sort of "and beyond" thing
(19:08:17) gingercoons: but I'm not married to it, of course
(19:08:36) F_S: 'beyond the first decade' ??
(19:08:46) F_S: i like the decade
(19:09:22) laraaa: yea :)
(19:09:24) gingercoons: it's a nice word, for sure.
(19:09:46) F_S: ok, making a list of options, we can brainstorm a bit ..
(19:10:05) gingercoons: I've thrown in a provisional little thematic paragraph
(19:10:06) a-l-e: sounds good to me
(19:10:15) laraaa: Hex: #decade ? rgb(222, 202, 222) ? rgb(87%, 79%, 87%)
(19:10:15) laraaa: hsl(300, 23%, 83%) ? cmyb(0%, 9%, 0%, 13%)
(19:10:38) F_S: hah
(19:10:51) gingercoons: on the submissions: is two weeks to decide if people are in or not enough time?
(19:11:01) gingercoons: laraaa: nice
(19:11:15) F_S: i think we need three to be sure, if we can do faster it is better
(19:11:28) F_S: it needs a lot of attention
akv a-l-e Animtim 
(19:11:36) F_S: what do you think a-l-e
(19:11:37) gingercoons: so maybe a month?
(19:11:44) gingercoons: February is a short month, too
(19:11:59) F_S: ok let's have it before end of that month
(19:12:07) gingercoons: cool.
(19:12:10) laraaa: ok
(19:12:23) F_S: 29 or 28 days?
(19:12:25) a-l-e: i think that we need two, so with three we're rather on the safe side (50% more... :-)
(19:12:33) laraaa: 28
(19:13:01) a-l-e: a month it's imo too long (there is a risk that things slip to the last minute, then ...)
(19:13:14) pippin: 2 is min, 3 is ok
(19:13:37) gingercoons: the 20th is a Friday, maybe that would be a good goal
(19:13:54) F_S: ok let's go for it
(19:14:37) gingercoons: you know, now that I look at it, I actually quite like the shade of lavender that #decade produces.
(19:14:45) F_S: haha
(19:15:03) laraaa: :)
(19:15:46) F_S: this is the crunch time for program committee so we all need to keep some time for it in those weeks
(19:16:11) laraaa: ok - i keep feb for lgm
(19:17:04) gingercoons: oh, and one other call I have down in my calendar, although I don't know if this is relevant to the program team, is for the 2017 venue
(19:17:44) F_S: btw, in my experience to have all slots equal (so all 20m and not alternate between 15 and 30) makes building program easier and also easier to deal with for audience and speakers
(19:18:00) gingercoons: can we get away with it, do you think?
(19:18:09) F_S: i think so
akv a-l-e Animtim 
(19:18:32) gingercoons: alright. I'm game for that, especially if it makes scheduling easier
(19:19:00) F_S: a-l-e pippin what do you think
(19:19:31) a-l-e: i'm comfortable with LT + 20'.
(19:19:56) a-l-e: (and i prefere one topic per talk rather than a few topic jammed together to fill a longer talk...)
(19:20:48) pippin: + Wshop\bof + state slot is already many formats to juggle
(19:21:48) laraaa: a question: what exactly means continuous workshop track?
(19:21:48) F_S: ok i really think this makes a clearer rhythm
(19:22:34) gingercoons: laraaa: rather than only running workshops at one time (last year, it was during the lunch breaks), actually having workshops continually throughout the day, parallel with the talks
(19:23:23) laraaa: mm, ok - would it at all work of a set of workshops runs all day - in that case people can walk in and out to see talks of interest??
(19:23:24) F_S: so we would go multi-track, but avoid having 5 workshops in parallel and also overloading essential lunch breaks / meeting time
(19:24:19) laraaa: or would that create pain?
(19:24:22) F_S: note to self: need to coordinate start and end times, breaks with start end times of talks
(19:24:54) F_S: laraaa: not sure. the good news is that there is too much content to fit in a few days
(19:25:11) laraaa: :)
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(19:25:43) F_S: and we are trying another approach, so both state of libre graphics and this parallel track is a way to try and deal with it
(19:26:02) F_S: but yes, pain will be had ;-)
(19:26:30) F_S: just see matthew fuller post v
(19:26:37) F_S: Fun and Software, Exploring Pleasure, Paradox and Pain in Computing
(19:26:42) F_S: ;-)
(19:26:44) laraaa: lol
(19:27:42) hongphuc [~hongphuc at 206.205.91.131] entered the room.
(19:28:07) F_S: ok, for the call ... i think we need to send the draft to the lgm org list and than we finish it wednesday 17 for example? it already looks quite complete to me
(19:28:37) gingercoons: sounds like a good plan. who wants to do the sending?
(19:29:58) F_S: wait the new site will be up already?
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(19:31:32) a-l-e: ok, time for preparing dinner... but i don't quit...
akv a-l-e Animtim 
akv a-l-e Animtim 
(19:32:57) F_S: a-l-e gingercoons when do you plan to launch the new site? 
(19:33:55) gingercoons: I have credentials now and will happily populate the site with as much as necessary, in line with a desire launch date
(19:35:12) F_S: ok good 
(19:35:38) F_S: so we can send out the call to CREATE once you have the site ready, and publish it there too
(19:35:57) F_S: and than start distributing all of us
(19:35:58) gingercoons: the 18th is the goal, right?
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(19:36:43) F_S: well i am just picking it because we have a LOOP here in brussels with osp, Julien Deswaef, Christoph Haag etc
(19:37:18) F_S: and also week after will be hard with christmas etc
(19:38:15) gingercoons: definitely
(19:38:30) gingercoons: it seems like a good goal, if the DNS switching thing for the site can be done by then
(19:39:23) F_S: ok let's meet here next wednesday 19:00 CET if ok with you (should be trivial) and than we see how/when exactly it goes live
(19:40:18) F_S: i send a msg to the org-mailinglist now
(19:40:25) gingercoons: awesome