[LGM] finances
ale
a at 414c45.net
Fri Nov 24 13:42:28 UTC 2017
Hi Dave!
We've bank accounts of course but I think the main issue then is the
administration of this money (and the taxes of receving such a payment:
we'd need to look for a 'formula' for handling this because these
accounts are not related to a non-profit activity).
I always thought this is not a task of the local group but of a specific
comission of the 'international network'. Am I wrong with this? I fear
that it could become too much work if we add to the organisational tasks
to keep track of the money and the reimbursements.
Best,
Ale.
El 24/11/17 a las 00:49, Dave Crossland escribió:
> Hi
>
> Would the local venue host be able to accept such a payment, and have
> someone to administer the expense claims?
>
> On Nov 23, 2017 5:47 PM, "Dave Crossland" <dave at lab6.com
> <mailto:dave at lab6.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks Louis :)
>
> To be clear I'm not making that offer right now, but saying I'm
> willing to work within Google to advocate for it. However before I
> do that, I want to be sure that there is a recipient organization
> ready to go if I can succeed :)
>
> On Nov 23, 2017 2:30 PM, "Louis Desjardins"
> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com <mailto:louis.desjardins at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2017-11-23 16:05 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com
> <mailto:dave at lab6.com>>:
>
>
> Hi
>
> Google is a big company, but Google Fonts is not a big team,
> and it would be just me handling this, and I don't have time
> to administer individual reimbursements. What I do have time
> for is a single sponsorship agreement (using a Google
> template contract) and cutting a single check to an LGM
> entity, be that an umbrella one or a direct one.
>
> Am I right that if Google Fonts was to offer to sponsor LGM
> with a single $15,000 payment in December (ie, get the
> agreement signed before end of this month, next week, then
> invoice within first two weeks of December) then this
> wouldn't be possible because LGM has no legal entity that
> could sign a sponsorship agreement and invoice the money?
>
> If so, that's a pity, because it may be easier for me to
> offer than now then next year, due to the nature of 'end of
> year' liquidity.
>
>
> This is a fan-tas-tic opportunity we ab-so-lu-te-ly cannot let go!
>
> I strongly urge the LGM organisers to enforce the decision that
> was made years ago when we thoroughly discussed about the
> finances as to go for SPI without delay.
>
> If we feel we need a vote, then let’s organise one.
>
> More infos are posted here:
> https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/associated-project-howto/
> <https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/associated-project-howto/>
>
> It takes a couple months (there is a 60-day delay once the Board
> has accepted), so we’re not ahead of time. The Board of SPI has
> to meet (monthly) and analyse the project before they submit it.
>
> If this is too long and puts the Google Font subsidy at risk,
> then the only other viable solution I can think of, is to ask
> the GNOME Foundation to make the Google transaction for LGM and
> then transfert that money to SPI once we’re accepted officially.
> They will be both US 501(c)3 Non-Profit Organizations and so can
> send money to one another with not fiscal impact (at least, this
> is what I understand and it would be advisable to check this
> first with both SPI and GNOME). Whether GNOME would still take a
> % off the grant remains to be discussed. We should be able to
> negociate a no-fee transaction for such a particular case.
>
> If someone has a better idea, please step in quick. This is an
> urgent matter.
>
> Thanks Dave!
>
> Louis
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> On 22 November 2017 at 19:05, Louis Desjardins
> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com
> <mailto:louis.desjardins at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> After reading tonight’s log, here my 2-cents.
>
> I strongly support that we connect with SPI.
> https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/services/
> <https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/services/>
> and let them handle the money and the reimbursements.
>
> /The tax-deductible thing is really only noise in the
> discussion. Each country handles its fiscal law
> regardless of others. There is no practical solution to
> this problem. If we go the SPI way, money donated by
> individuals from within the USA will be tax-deducted,
> other money won’t. However, a regular compagny that
> would provide a subsidy to LGM from anywhere in the
> world will probably enter it into its expenses and thus
> will reduce by the same its bottom line... and hence
> will pay less income tax. Again, not an issue. (Also,
> considering the average amount we got from individuals
> (in Pledgie), this was less than $50 so tax-deductible
> would only be a fraction of small amounts. Nothing worth
> establishing a global multinational organisation to save
> little money. Let’s not get hysterical!)/
>
> I suggest we vote on this to give some weight to the
> decision. If the majority votes for SPI, we’re in; money
> can go there.
>
> What’s left to us is to find sponsors. SPI won’t help
> us. But they can handle the money, in and out.
>
> If we’d prefer, we could vote on the reimbursements and
> ask if we want to pursue, or not.
>
> In any way, we need to clarify things quick.
>
> We also need to think long-term.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Louis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2017-11-19 6:36 GMT-05:00 Louis Desjardins
> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com
> <mailto:louis.desjardins at gmail.com>>:
>
> 2017-11-18 16:13 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland
> <dave at lab6.com <mailto:dave at lab6.com>>:
>
> Hi
>
> I think Google Fonts may be interested in this
> sponsorship, with a focus on bringing people
> together to do focused work on Variable Font
> support in all libre graphics applications.
>
> Felipe Sanches was working on Inkscape support
> and got stuck, so if he can attend and meet
> Inkscape core devs to make progress towards
> being ready to ship, that would be great.
>
> What were the total budgets for lgms in the past?
>
>
> Roughly :
> - Europe LGMs : 10-15K USD
> - North America LGMs - 20-30K USD
> - Outside “Occidental North” is much higher (from
> rough evaluations).
>
> The numbers greatly vary from the needs of
> travellers and we have no way of accurately
> predicting this until late in the process of
> organising a LGM (ie, after we know who’s coming
> from which team, who makes a talk, who animates a
> workshop, who’s in need of travel sponsoring).
>
> If you can have money from Google (say, they reserve
> an envelope of 15K for Sevilla), the best way to
> handle it would be through them directly (Google
> money to sponsored participant directly), using
> their administrative way, forms, money handling, etc.
>
> If this is not feasible but Google accepts to
> sponsor the event, then we need an organisation to
> handle this.
>
> From experience, the reimbursement process is not
> easy because of the many variables that are unknown
> at some point in the reimbursement process,
> including bad bank infos, missing documents,
> impossibility to handle a reimbursement based on
> where in the world the transaction ends (some money
> get stuck months in intermediary banks). Probably
> things that a company such as Google would handle best.
>
> *
>
> To those who have been participating in the past
> discussions on that subject:
>
> 1. I am permanently out of this process now, given
> a) the level of dissatisfaction and b) the level
> of non-enthusiasm the detailed proposals I’ve
> made to solve the issue in a sustainable manner
> have received.
> 2. We definitely had a final decision of moving to
> a international non-profit organisation who
> already handles the money of many FLOSS
> projects, for a decent fee. Side note: I am
> *very surprised* to see that in the past 3
> years, and after the heavy discussions we had
> about finances, nothing has moved forward
> (although the decision was made). Lots of talks,
> no action.
>
> It’s never to late for action. Either give up on
> reimbursements or make it happen.
>
> To me, if Dave can have Google be on our side again
> and handle the reimbursements, I support this
> strongly. I think it’s the most simple way and it
> will take away from us the most difficult task in
> the organisation of LGM.
>
> As a long time LGM supporter and organiser, I am
> still ready to help, with other stuff.
>
> Have a wonderful day!
>
> Louis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2017 10:38 AM, "Gregory Pittman"
> <gpittman at iglou.com <mailto:gpittman at iglou.com>>
> wrote:
>
> On 11/18/2017 10:01 AM, ale rimoldi wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > so, if i understand it correctly, the
> current status is that we will
> > not have any "official" reimbursement of
> travel costs from the global
> > lgm for 2018.
> >
> > if anybody is not comfortable with this,
> please step up before the next
> > lgm meeting and let us discuss it!
> >
> > (for reference: it has also been suggested
> that we should get (and
> > help...) the teams to collect their own
> money).
> >
>
> I think another way to look at this is to
> try to see it from the
> outside. Why would or should some outside
> organization donate to this
> meeting? What's in it for them? We know it
> doesn't have to be some
> monetary return for some corporation, but
> still, of the various meetings
> and organizations that are out there, why
> donate to LGM?
>
> We have to try to begin to answer this question.
>
> Having said this, I have put out a feeler to
> Red Hat, and so far the
> response has been rather feeble.
>
> Greg
>
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