<div dir="ltr"><div>All ok Frank! No worries! </div><div>Per our 2-year process: </div><div>2018 should have been known and announced in 2016 </div><div>2019 should be known and announced in 2017 </div><div>2010 should be known and announced in 2018 </div><div>We’re late for 2018, on schedule for 2019 and ahead of time for 2020. </div><div>As I see it, we have in fact 3 strong proposals, including Paris. </div><div>While 2020 seems a bit far away, I would suggest that people involved in the discussion take the 3 proposals in consideration. If all 3 proposers could tell us which year is possible/best, and for what reason, we could make a better decision and at the same time help the proposers. </div><div>Let’s see what others think. </div><div> </div><div>Louis </div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-09 7:49 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <<a href="mailto:frank.trampe@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.trampe@gmail.com</a>>: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">(And given how much time had passed and the uncertain provenance of the proposal document, it certainly would have been good for me to confirm that.)<div> </div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Frank Trampe <<a href="mailto:frank.trampe@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.trampe@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">In light of this new information, let's temporarily suspend voting. I've asked the Milan folks about whether they could do 2018 instead, and, if so, I will propose swapping.<div> </div><div>I also apologize for the confusion. I'm not sure who wrote the original venue proposal document, but it showed dates in April of next year, so I didn't discuss that in my recheck call with Soenke a few weeks ago.</div><div> </div></div><div class="m_-4924726311959101178HOEnZb"><div class="m_-4924726311959101178h5"><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Soenke Zehle <<a href="mailto:soenke@kein.org" target="_blank">soenke@kein.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all, big misunderstanding on my part, I thought that you would vote on the venue first, then we'd go for picking a date that works best for everyone. But if there's interest in working with regional partners, coop with the (amazing) demoscene event etc, then 2019 would make a lot more sense for us. At least if LGM is a second-quarter event. As I had written funding-wise I think we'd be able to get similar support, i.e. low / no venue cost etc. Hope this doesn't confuse things too much - but since Zoe seems ready to roll for 2018, maybe that's a way to proceed. bestest, apologies for whatever confusion this creates. Soenke <div class="m_-4924726311959101178m_8645505340407647337HOEnZb"><div class="m_-4924726311959101178m_8645505340407647337h5"> 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT+02:00 Soenke Zehle <<a href="mailto:soenke@kein.org" target="_blank">soenke@kein.org</a>>: > Hi all, > > happy to answer whatever questions you may have. We didn't mean to > push but depending on the likely scope of the event it does need a bit > of organizing time. > > We also really enjoyed the discussion about Paris because we feel that > especially now we need to make sure that cross-border cooperation is > something we want and are comfortable with. Whatever you think about > the EU, Europe works at the grassroots level, and because we have > colleagues in Metz (incl. <a href="http://tcrm-blida.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tcrm-blida.com/</a>) and Luxembourg > (<a href="http://www.rockhal.lu/rocklab/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.rockhal.lu/rocklab/</a>, <a href="http://www.technoport.lu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.technoport.lu</a>), each about > an hour away, we would like them to act as co-hosts to whatever extent > possible, linking the event to their local FLOSS dynamics and possible > developing satellite events there. Jehan, if this would interest you > and your colleagues, let's talk (regardless of whether we end up doing > this in 2018 or 2019). > > Frank, after talking to my colleagues we feel that we would have > similar co-funding opportunities for 2019, all of which remain to be > confirmed of course. So I really want to emphasize that 2018 and 2019 > are both ok options for us. If 2018, first or second quarter might be > a bit ambititious though, Sept would probably work better. For 2019, > however, there would be more time to synch an LGM with > <a href="https://2017.revision-party.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2017.revision-party.net/</a> which always occurs (not which is > always carefully organized by a group of highly committed people). > > > Best, > > Soenke > > 2017-05-08 20:54 GMT+02:00 Frank Trampe <<a href="mailto:frank.trampe@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.trampe@gmail.com</a>>: >> Good call on adding the links. >> >> We ought at least to build out a branding-compatible template for next >> year's website before handing off to local organizers, so I've started a new >> thread to get a web team together and to find our branding elements. >> >> >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jehan Pagès <<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Frank Trampe <<a href="mailto:frank.trampe@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.trampe@gmail.com</a>> >>> wrote: >>> > Per Lara's suggestion, I have opened an Etherpad document here ( >>> > <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LGM_2018_Venue_Poll" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LGM_2018_Venue_Poll</a> ) to record votes >>> > prior >>> > to the IRC chat, and I have voted. I encourage others to do so as soon >>> > as >>> > possible. >>> >>> I have read both propositions and voted yes to both. >>> Also I added the links to the proposals on the pad as well, so that >>> people don't have to dig in the ML history to find these. >>> >>> > Per Louis's suggestion, I set the deadline for the 2019 question a week >>> > later so that we can focus on 2018 over the next week or so. >>> >>> Good. A week is ok. But there is no reason to delay much more. So >>> that's a good delay choice. :-) >>> >>> What would be really good as the next step for the 2018 LGM >>> (Saarbruecken if we agree on this, which seem like it will be the >>> case) will be that as soon as the vote is over, a new Wordpress is >>> installed under 2018/ on the web server, not public yet (or at least >>> not the default redirection) and an admin account could be given to >>> the local team for them to design it. Ideally in the next few months, >>> a brand new website at Saarbruecken colors could be up and publicly >>> visible with the basic information (the kind of information from the >>> proposal is a start). This should also help for funding to have a web >>> presence. >>> >>> Jehan >>> >>> P.S.: thanks Frank for making this all in the public mailing list. As >>> you know, I really much appreciate this! :-) >>> >>> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Louis Desjardins >>> > <<a href="mailto:louis.desjardins@gmail.com" target="_blank">louis.desjardins@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> 2017-05-08 11:15 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <<a href="mailto:frank.trampe@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.trampe@gmail.com</a>>: >>> >>> >>> >>> The reason that I'm trying to push this along is that Soenke from >>> >>> Saarbruecken had mentioned that he would probably need to start the >>> >>> formal >>> >>> process on some of the grants by the beginning of June. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hi Frank, >>> >> >>> >> It’s very much appreciated that you push this. >>> >> >>> >> With no intention of slowing things down, my take is we should stick to >>> >> our voting process. What has become urgent can be treated as such. >>> >> >>> >> Keeping the focus on Saarbruecken for the 2018 decision in a timely >>> >> manner >>> >> for the host is the way to go, IMO. >>> >> >>> >> Once 2018 has the go, we can concentrate on 2019. Which can happen also >>> >> as >>> >> quickly as possible. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks for raising the flag! >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> Louis >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What sort of additional information would you like to request from the >>> >>> hosts? I already verified that the information in their proposals was >>> >>> still >>> >>> valid, and, since they're already being so generous with their time, I >>> >>> don't >>> >>> want to subject them to any unnecessary repetition. >>> >>> >>> >>> I may be in transit at the time of the proposed meeting next week. >>> >>> Would >>> >>> somebody save a chat log? And could we elaborate in advance what >>> >>> alternative >>> >>> courses of action would be discussed? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno <<a href="mailto:gwidion@gmail.com" target="_blank">gwidion@gmail.com</a>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8 May 2017 at 11:30, Frank Trampe <<a href="mailto:frank.trampe@gmail.com" target="_blank">frank.trampe@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> >>>> > (This is the first time that we've done this on the main list >>> >>>> > rather >>> >>>> > than >>> >>>> > the organization list, I think, so bear with me.) >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > LGM has received hosting proposals from Saarbruecken and Milan for >>> >>>> > the >>> >>>> > 2018 >>> >>>> > and 2019 events. Both proposals are very strong and combine >>> >>>> > exciting >>> >>>> > locations and facilities with interested and supportive local >>> >>>> > communities, >>> >>>> > and so I believe that it makes sense to accept both of them. The >>> >>>> > Saarbruecken team have some significant fundraising opportunities >>> >>>> > that >>> >>>> > may >>> >>>> > only be available for 2018, though, so it makes sense, at least to >>> >>>> > me, >>> >>>> > that >>> >>>> > we meet in Saarbruecken in 2018 and Milan in 2019. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > As such, I propose the following motion: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > The Libre Graphics Meeting will take place in Saarbruecken in 2018 >>> >>>> > with >>> >>>> > Soenke Zehle as lead local organizer and in Milan in 2019 with Zoe >>> >>>> > Romano as >>> >>>> > lead local organizer. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Frank - I thank you for acting as an embassador to the proponents >>> >>>> of both venues, >>> >>>> but before casting a "formal vote" - or whatever- I think it would >>> >>>> be >>> >>>> nice to have the direct >>> >>>> "voice" of both proponents in an updated e-mail on this list :-) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Tehn we could do one thing I not do for the 2017 conference and that >>> >>>> was >>> >>>> pointed >>> >>>> as the main motive for the small size of this years issue: we do a >>> >>>> live meeting on >>> >>>> IRC to debate the pros and cons of either proposal (or another >>> >>>> approach) >>> >>>> - and >>> >>>> settle for that. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> In oder not to stall things, I propose the date-time for this meeting >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> be >>> >>>> at 21h00 C.E.T. next Thursday (May, the 11th) on freenode #LGM. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> (We don't have to decide the venue this week - and we have had more >>> >>>> people >>> >>>> talking here than over the last several months - but this things >>> >>>> could be discussed >>> >>>> live) >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> js >>> >>>> -><- >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > It's very important that we resolve this in a timely fashion so >>> >>>> > that >>> >>>> > our >>> >>>> > hosts can begin planning, scheduling, networking, and fundraising. >>> >>>> > It's also >>> >>>> > important that we get positive responses here; 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