<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello all, long time! Hopefully I'll be able to join you next year. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The KDE community can provide support by hosting the LGM website if you like. But we'd have to sort some technical things out first like:<br></div><div><span class="gmail-transaction-comment"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 3:19 PM ale rimoldi <<a href="mailto:ale@graphicslab.org">ale@graphicslab.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> This having been said, i think that there are four important topics<br> about the online resources and all of them need some discussion:<br> <br> - DNS<br></blockquote><div> </div><div><span class="gmail-transaction-comment">Would it be acceptable to have this pointed at the KDE DNS provider? (CloudNS.net)</span></div><div><span class="gmail-transaction-comment"><br></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> - website<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail-transaction-comment"><li class="gmail-remarkup-list-item">- For the current year, what sort of website would we be taking on the hosting of?</li><li class="gmail-remarkup-list-item">- For the historical archives, is this anything other than a static site?</li> <li class="gmail-remarkup-list-item">- Hosting wise, is there anything else needed aside from the website(s)?</li></span></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> - mailing list (archived messaging)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We also have some mail servers, would you also need to use those? </div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> - messaging platform (real time messaging)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If it also helps, KDE has an <span class="gmail-transaction-comment">irc <-> matrix bridge</span> that the sysadmins can help setup from your irc channel to a matrix room. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Please let me know what you think and I can get you in touch with the KDE sysadmins so you can organize things. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers :)<br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> I will start here with my thoughts but, if other people agree that a<br> discussion is worth to be conducted, it's probably better if the<br> replies go to one thread per topic (or some topics can go into a common<br> thread).<br> <br> <br> TLDR:<br> <br> and before going into the details, here my proposition for the next<br> (urgent) steps:<br> <br> - AFGRAL gets in touch with louis and takes control of the LGM.org<br> domain<br> - we find a new place where to host our archive with the static files<br> (if nothing better is proposed, i can temporary host them on "my"<br> shared web space; i guess that the AFGRAL can do the same; i can<br> participate in rebuilding the sites from the git repositories)<br> <br> and now, a lot of details!<br> <br> <br> <br> # DNS<br> <br> Luis Desjardins is the "owner" of the DNS entries.<br> <br> He already asked for the ownership to be transferred.<br> <br> Since the LGM itself has no way to own them by itself, i'm very<br> comfortable with the idea of having them in the hands of the AFGRAL<br> (or any other entity around the AFGRAL if cedric's "we" did not refer<br> to the account he has used for sending his email)<br> <br> If nobody disagree with this, I think that there is not much discussion<br> needed and the AFGRAL is welcome to do get in touch with louis and get<br> the name transferred.<br> (probably, we only need <a href="http://libregraphiscmeeting.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">libregraphiscmeeting.org</a> , if louis still has<br> other similar domains.)<br> <br> <br> <br> # Hosting the "main" website with the landing page and the archive<br> <br> We need to move.<br> urgently.<br> <br> personally, i haven't noticed that tuxfamily has been down for such a<br> long time.<br> we were very lucky that it was online during the latest LGM.<br> <br> we have a bunch of static web sites, each in its own directory, that are<br> very rarely (or never) updated.<br> <br> my suggestion is to go for one of two solutions:<br> <br> - we are not picky at all, anybody can host them and we make sure that<br> it's easy for us to migrate to a new host at any time, or<br> - we try to find a stable host that can host us (for free). like<br> tuxfamily used to be.<br> <br> if we can make sure that at the end of each LGM a static site is<br> checked into our github repository, we can be somehow more relaxed<br> about this issue:<br> we have very low requirements!<br> <br> since tuxfamily is currently down, i would suggest that we need a<br> solution that can be online before the end of the christmas holidays.<br> (or at least before the organization for the next LGM 2025 wants to go<br> public with their information!)<br> <br> in the wors case, i can probably host it myself on my shared server, if<br> no better solution is proposed (in such a short time).<br> <br> during the christmas holidays, i can reserve some time for recreating<br> the websites.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> # the yearly LGM site<br> <br> for the last few years, we had a rather good experience with a static<br> site that could be "automatically" updated by pushing to the github<br> repository.<br> <br> if the organizers want / need a dynamic site (wordpress, django,<br> ...), hosting them on a common server becomes a bit harder.<br> with tux family we had the constraint that it only supported PHP and<br> we mostly went for wordpress.<br> that's all we could do.<br> often, it was enough.<br> <br> i've already seen that somebody suggested creating subdomains that can<br> be hosted by the organizers (and their partners).<br> i'm fine with that, but it makes a bit harder to later host the static<br> copy.<br> (probably, not a big issue, though. but it's worth to check about it<br> before deciding to use sub domains! it's an additional requirements for<br> the host of the static sites)<br> <br> then we would have all lgm up to 2024 in <a href="http://lgm.org/20xx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lgm.org/20xx</a> and the following<br> ones in <a href="http://20xx.lgm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">20xx.lgm.org</a>.<br> maybe there is also an easy way to create a redirect. it needs to be<br> tested. and documented.<br> <br> as i said at the beginning of this email, for me the only hard condition<br> is:<br> <br> at the end of the lgm a static version of the site (with all the public<br> content!) is checked into the git repository.<br> <br> (of course, you can disagree with me also about that! what i want to<br> say, is that all the rest is open for discussions and we can probably be<br> rather flexible!)<br> <br> <br> <br> # archived messages: the mailing list<br> <br> currently, the "official" communication canal of the LGM is this<br> mailing list.<br> <br> i've not seen many critical voices about this, but those who are not<br> comfortable with it do not really have a place to complain.<br> (i guess that most people who have not got into mailing list before the<br> mid of the years 2010 are not used to register to mailing lists!<br> (forums, facebook, statckoverflow, slack, ... have won the race)<br> <br> the advantage of this mailing lists:<br> <br> - it's very easy for us to use. (and everybody can use it)<br> - freedesktop seems to manage it in a very stable way.<br> <br> the minus points:<br> <br> - many people are not used to mails and mailing lists anymore<br> - no visual elements<br> - (personally, i don't get a notification if there are mails i should<br> read...)<br> <br> is there any need for discussions here?<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> # real time messaging<br> <br> officially, we are using the #lgm channel on libera chat.<br> <br> the advantages:<br> <br> - it works.<br> - it has very low (no) maintenance costs for us.<br> <br> do i need to talk about the issues?<br> <br> - no persistence of the messages (it's not possible to get home in the<br> evening and check what has happened during the day (or during the<br> week)).<br> - almost none of us is permanently / often in the channel anymore.<br> - many people have never heard of irc<br> - most LGM projects do not (actively) use irc (anymore).<br> - no fancy / visual content<br> <br> personally, i'm all for finding a new platform.<br> if possible one that is completely based on free software.<br> <br> i've proposed to switch to element chat (matrix) in the past, but the<br> the response was not very positive.<br> <br> personally, i'm not 100% convinced by element myself, but i've been<br> using it in for another project for years and it works "well enough".<br> <br> the biggest issue is, for me, that many people still don't use it /<br> don't know about it.<br> the onboarding is rather painless, but:<br> - for many people, it's one more platform<br> - it's not the same as other platforms they are using.<br> <br> but i don't see any better solution that is completely (at least<br> theoretically) open source and is as easy to use (for the end users!).<br> and at least a bit popular (among our pairs).<br> <br> if i recall correctly, at the time i proposed it, the biggest concerns<br> were about hosting (which is indeed hard, but i don't see how it can be<br> an issue for the lgm: we don't even manage to easily host a static<br> website) and about encryption (again, not an issue for me, but i<br> respect that other people have fundamentally different opinions on<br> this!).<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> that's was a long mail.<br> <br> hopefully, i was not too boring, and i really hope that we can find<br> good solutions to the issues we are facing!<br> and i can invest some time in finding those solutions...<br> <br> <br> have a wonderful start to the week<br> a.l.e<br> </blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة<br>fsf member #5439<br>usuario GNU/Linux #471966<br>|_|0|_|<br>|_|_|0|<br>|0|0|0|<br><a href="<a href="http://www.gunga.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.gunga.com.br</a>">gunga</a><br><a href="<a href="http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br</a>">tempoecoarte</a><div><a href="<a href="http://www.atelier-labs.org" target="_blank">http://www.atelier-labs.org</a>">atelier-labs</a></div><div><a href="<a href="http://www.mocambos.net" target="_blank">http://www.mocambos.net</a>">rede mocambos</a><br></div></div></div>