<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Lasse<br></div><div><br></div><div>Happy for this. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The bridge is up and running. Please contact the sysadmins for whatever else is needed (in case ou haven't already): <a href="mailto:sysadmin@kde.org">sysadmin@kde.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>PS</div><div>Hopefully we can get some people from Kdenlive to participate at LGM next year. <br></div><div><br></div><div>C ya</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 11:50 AM Lasse Fister <<a href="mailto:commander@graphicore.de">commander@graphicore.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-3615141318593522392"><div><div>Hi Farid,</div><div><br></div><div>moving the DNS to KDE is a very good suggestion, especially with the setup in a git repository, I see a clear path how we can manage it as a community in the future.</div><div><br></div><div>With the other services, I think there's less urgency to find a solution.</div><div><br></div><div>Best, Lasse</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, 2024-12-10 at 14:50 -0300, farid abdelnour wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi a.l.e.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:55 PM ale rimoldi <<a href="mailto:ale@graphicslab.org" target="_blank">ale@graphicslab.org</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div> if he does not feel comfortable with a static site, and if we point<br> the whole domain to the KDE DNS provider, would it possible the KDE<br> sysadmins to have yearly subdomains to point elsewhere?<br> then, if the local organizers want to have a specific technology and<br> can host it, we can easily make them happy!<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For DNS stuff, we have a <span>significant capability in this area, have a look at:<a href="http://invent.kde.org/sysadmin/dns" target="_blank">invent.kde.org/sysadmin/dns</a> but yes, we can certainly point to outside places if needed.</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div><span>In terms of tech stack, you may want to consider static site generators such as Hugo - which we can also provide as an end to end pipeline.</span></div><div><span></span><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div> but if we decide to leave back the mailing list, a discourse forum<br> might be worth to be considered (i see that kde<br> has <a href="https://discuss.kde.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://discuss.kde.org/</a>),<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, discourse is very nice, we switched to it a while back. Pixls is also running an instance <a href="https://discuss.pixls.us/" target="_blank">https://discuss.pixls.us/</a></div><div> </div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div>let's what are the thoughts of the other people on this list!<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>If you decide to use KDE's infrastructure please contact our wonderful sysadmins to organize the transition and whatever else might be needed at: <a href="mailto:sysadmin@kde.org" target="_blank">sysadmin@kde.org</a> <br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div>have a wonderful evening<br>a.l.e<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Cheers :) <br></div><div> </div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div><br>> Hello all, long time! Hopefully I'll be able to join you next year.<br>> <br>> The KDE community can provide support by hosting the LGM website if<br>> you like. But we'd have to sort some technical things out first like:<br>> <br>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 3:19 PM ale rimoldi <<a href="mailto:ale@graphicslab.org" target="_blank">ale@graphicslab.org</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > This having been said, i think that there are four important topics<br>> > about the online resources and all of them need some discussion:<br>> ><br>> > - DNS<br>> > <br>> <br>> Would it be acceptable to have this pointed at the KDE DNS provider?<br>> (CloudNS.net)<br>> <br>> - website<br>> > <br>> <br>> - - For the current year, what sort of website would we be taking on<br>> the hosting of?<br>> - - For the historical archives, is this anything other than a static<br>> site?<br>> - - Hosting wise, is there anything else needed aside from the<br>> website(s)?<br>> <br>> - mailing list (archived messaging)<br>> > <br>> <br>> We also have some mail servers, would you also need to use those?<br>> <br>> <br>> > - messaging platform (real time messaging)<br>> > <br>> <br>> If it also helps, KDE has an irc <-> matrix bridge that the sysadmins<br>> can help setup from your irc channel to a matrix room.<br>> <br>> Please let me know what you think and I can get you in touch with the<br>> KDE sysadmins so you can organize things.<br>> <br>> Cheers :)<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > I will start here with my thoughts but, if other people agree that a<br>> > discussion is worth to be conducted, it's probably better if the<br>> > replies go to one thread per topic (or some topics can go into a<br>> > common thread).<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > TLDR:<br>> ><br>> > and before going into the details, here my proposition for the next<br>> > (urgent) steps:<br>> ><br>> > - AFGRAL gets in touch with louis and takes control of the LGM.org<br>> > domain<br>> > - we find a new place where to host our archive with the static<br>> > files (if nothing better is proposed, i can temporary host them on<br>> > "my" shared web space; i guess that the AFGRAL can do the same; i<br>> > can participate in rebuilding the sites from the git repositories)<br>> ><br>> > and now, a lot of details!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > # DNS<br>> ><br>> > Luis Desjardins is the "owner" of the DNS entries.<br>> ><br>> > He already asked for the ownership to be transferred.<br>> ><br>> > Since the LGM itself has no way to own them by itself, i'm very<br>> > comfortable with the idea of having them in the hands of the AFGRAL<br>> > (or any other entity around the AFGRAL if cedric's "we" did not<br>> > refer to the account he has used for sending his email)<br>> ><br>> > If nobody disagree with this, I think that there is not much<br>> > discussion needed and the AFGRAL is welcome to do get in touch with<br>> > louis and get the name transferred.<br>> > (probably, we only need <a href="http://libregraphiscmeeting.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">libregraphiscmeeting.org</a> , if louis still<br>> > has other similar domains.)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > # Hosting the "main" website with the landing page and the archive<br>> ><br>> > We need to move.<br>> > urgently.<br>> ><br>> > personally, i haven't noticed that tuxfamily has been down for such<br>> > a long time.<br>> > we were very lucky that it was online during the latest LGM.<br>> ><br>> > we have a bunch of static web sites, each in its own directory,<br>> > that are very rarely (or never) updated.<br>> ><br>> > my suggestion is to go for one of two solutions:<br>> ><br>> > - we are not picky at all, anybody can host them and we make sure<br>> > that it's easy for us to migrate to a new host at any time, or<br>> > - we try to find a stable host that can host us (for free). like<br>> > tuxfamily used to be.<br>> ><br>> > if we can make sure that at the end of each LGM a static site is<br>> > checked into our github repository, we can be somehow more relaxed<br>> > about this issue:<br>> > we have very low requirements!<br>> ><br>> > since tuxfamily is currently down, i would suggest that we need a<br>> > solution that can be online before the end of the christmas<br>> > holidays. (or at least before the organization for the next LGM<br>> > 2025 wants to go public with their information!)<br>> ><br>> > in the wors case, i can probably host it myself on my shared<br>> > server, if no better solution is proposed (in such a short time).<br>> ><br>> > during the christmas holidays, i can reserve some time for<br>> > recreating the websites.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > # the yearly LGM site<br>> ><br>> > for the last few years, we had a rather good experience with a<br>> > static site that could be "automatically" updated by pushing to the<br>> > github repository.<br>> ><br>> > if the organizers want / need a dynamic site (wordpress, django,<br>> > ...), hosting them on a common server becomes a bit harder.<br>> > with tux family we had the constraint that it only supported PHP and<br>> > we mostly went for wordpress.<br>> > that's all we could do.<br>> > often, it was enough.<br>> ><br>> > i've already seen that somebody suggested creating subdomains that<br>> > can be hosted by the organizers (and their partners).<br>> > i'm fine with that, but it makes a bit harder to later host the<br>> > static copy.<br>> > (probably, not a big issue, though. but it's worth to check about it<br>> > before deciding to use sub domains! it's an additional requirements<br>> > for the host of the static sites)<br>> ><br>> > then we would have all lgm up to 2024 in <a href="http://lgm.org/20xx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lgm.org/20xx</a> and the<br>> > following ones in <a href="http://20xx.lgm.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">20xx.lgm.org</a>.<br>> > maybe there is also an easy way to create a redirect. it needs to be<br>> > tested. and documented.<br>> ><br>> > as i said at the beginning of this email, for me the only hard<br>> > condition is:<br>> ><br>> > at the end of the lgm a static version of the site (with all the<br>> > public content!) is checked into the git repository.<br>> ><br>> > (of course, you can disagree with me also about that! what i want to<br>> > say, is that all the rest is open for discussions and we can<br>> > probably be rather flexible!)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > # archived messages: the mailing list<br>> ><br>> > currently, the "official" communication canal of the LGM is this<br>> > mailing list.<br>> ><br>> > i've not seen many critical voices about this, but those who are not<br>> > comfortable with it do not really have a place to complain.<br>> > (i guess that most people who have not got into mailing list before<br>> > the mid of the years 2010 are not used to register to mailing lists!<br>> > (forums, facebook, statckoverflow, slack, ... have won the race)<br>> ><br>> > the advantage of this mailing lists:<br>> ><br>> > - it's very easy for us to use. (and everybody can use it)<br>> > - freedesktop seems to manage it in a very stable way.<br>> ><br>> > the minus points:<br>> ><br>> > - many people are not used to mails and mailing lists anymore<br>> > - no visual elements<br>> > - (personally, i don't get a notification if there are mails i<br>> > should read...)<br>> ><br>> > is there any need for discussions here?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > # real time messaging<br>> ><br>> > officially, we are using the #lgm channel on libera chat.<br>> ><br>> > the advantages:<br>> ><br>> > - it works.<br>> > - it has very low (no) maintenance costs for us.<br>> ><br>> > do i need to talk about the issues?<br>> ><br>> > - no persistence of the messages (it's not possible to get home in<br>> > the evening and check what has happened during the day (or during<br>> > the week)).<br>> > - almost none of us is permanently / often in the channel anymore.<br>> > - many people have never heard of irc<br>> > - most LGM projects do not (actively) use irc (anymore).<br>> > - no fancy / visual content<br>> ><br>> > personally, i'm all for finding a new platform.<br>> > if possible one that is completely based on free software.<br>> ><br>> > i've proposed to switch to element chat (matrix) in the past, but<br>> > the the response was not very positive.<br>> ><br>> > personally, i'm not 100% convinced by element myself, but i've been<br>> > using it in for another project for years and it works "well<br>> > enough".<br>> ><br>> > the biggest issue is, for me, that many people still don't use it /<br>> > don't know about it.<br>> > the onboarding is rather painless, but:<br>> > - for many people, it's one more platform<br>> > - it's not the same as other platforms they are using.<br>> ><br>> > but i don't see any better solution that is completely (at least<br>> > theoretically) open source and is as easy to use (for the end<br>> > users!). and at least a bit popular (among our pairs).<br>> ><br>> > if i recall correctly, at the time i proposed it, the biggest<br>> > concerns were about hosting (which is indeed hard, but i don't see<br>> > how it can be an issue for the lgm: we don't even manage to easily<br>> > host a static website) and about encryption (again, not an issue<br>> > for me, but i respect that other people have fundamentally<br>> > different opinions on this!).<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > that's was a long mail.<br>> ><br>> > hopefully, i was not too boring, and i really hope that we can find<br>> > good solutions to the issues we are facing!<br>> > and i can invest some time in finding those solutions...<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > have a wonderful start to the week<br>> > a.l.e<br>> > <br>> <br>> <br></div><div><br></div></blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة<br>fsf member #5439<br>usuario GNU/Linux #471966<br>|_|0|_|<br>|_|_|0|<br>|0|0|0|<br><a href="<a href="http://www.gunga.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.gunga.com.br</a>">gunga</a><br><a href="<a href="http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br</a>">tempoecoarte</a><div><a href="<a href="http://www.atelier-labs.org" target="_blank">http://www.atelier-labs.org</a>">atelier-labs</a></div><div><a href="<a href="http://www.mocambos.net" target="_blank">http://www.mocambos.net</a>">rede mocambos</a><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span></span></div></div> </div></blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة<br>fsf member #5439<br>usuario GNU/Linux #471966<br>|_|0|_|<br>|_|_|0|<br>|0|0|0|<br><a href="<a href="http://www.gunga.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.gunga.com.br</a>">gunga</a><br><a href="<a href="http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br</a>">tempoecoarte</a><div><a href="<a href="http://www.atelier-labs.org" target="_blank">http://www.atelier-labs.org</a>">atelier-labs</a></div><div><a href="<a href="http://www.mocambos.net" target="_blank">http://www.mocambos.net</a>">rede mocambos</a><br></div></div></div>