[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 104651] UI - Reducing user confusion: Queries, Views and Tables

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104651

--- Comment #12 from Howard Johnson <BridgeportContractor at gmail.com> ---
In light of a better understanding of this, I'd like to revise my prior
suggestion as follows:

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Make a new section for Views, and organize things like this: 

-  Tables, Queries, Views, Forms, Reports, ..
+  Tables, Views, Queries, Forms, Reports, ..
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I'm hearing 'WF' from a number of people, but I'm not seeing anyone yet saying
that Views should really quietly remain in Tables.  I am hearing that Views are
important and useful, and they are.

So to those of you who are suggesting WF:

Perhaps we need to mark this as: 
   'DWF' (Don't Want to Fix), or 
   'THTFRN' (Too Hard To Fix Right Now), or better yet, 
   'FS' (Fix Someday).


I admit that when I submitted this suggestion 1.5 years ago, I was coming from
a MS Access world that I'd been using Access for more than 10 years and was
fluent in it, and where I didn't know what Views were.

In Access queries were, and are, much more capable than in base.  I found it
extremely frustrating, and I still do, at how limited base is in so many ways. 
But I hasten to add that I have now moved all of my stuff to LO base over these
past 2 years, much to the dismay of my partner who has watched my frustration
and countless months spent during this conversion process.  

This is not because I'm enamored with LO base, for I am not, ...rather it's
because I want to be on GNU/Linux, and away from Windows.

I think it's so easy for those who already know how something works to assume
that others new to it will just get it.  But I've seen many people on the LO
ask site ask questions related to moving from Access to base and struggling
with this transition, so I'm not alone in this adventure.  How are people to
move to Linux who have databases on Windows???  Do they have to spend years to
get this done?  I hope not.  Thus the focus of most all of my bug reports and
feature suggestions.


More recently, I have been using a few Views, and find them quite helpful at
times! 

But I still think if on the main screen under "Database" it says "Tables", then
that's what should be there, Tables, and only tables!

And while one could change the title to "Tables and Views" to correct it, and
though that would be the simplest way to bring the honesty back to this
misleading situation, I don't recommend this.

I still don't see what's so wrong with wanting a Views button between Tables
and Queries (Tables, Views, Queries, Forms, Reports).  For one it would cause
the new users to say, "Hey, what up with Views?  Let's go look that up..."

So please if you can mark this as FS (Fix Someday) or something, but not WF,
unless you can really justify that it should not be fixed because it would not
be a good idea.  ......Because someday I still hope to get where I can fix some
of these things.  (I'm still on that nasty Linux learning curve on the way up.)

Thanks again.

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