[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33304] Header / Footer should be inserted into margin, not into text body

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33304

--- Comment #63 from Wolfgang Jäger <jag at psilosoph.de> ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #56)
> (In reply to Wolfgang Jäger from comment #55)
> > I am NOT coming from MS Word. Nonetheless the mentioned expectation doesn't
> > look "just funny" to me. However, I would NOT judge it to be "LOGICAL". 
> > 
> > Reasons:
> > To get it consistent under the given rationale (unchanged content of the
> > page's textbody area) the changed behaviour to insert a newly enabled header
> > and additionally the height of space (distance from text body) into the area
> > previously forming the visible margin WOULD REQUIRE to also shift the top of
> > the header's area uppwards if an additional line or paragraph was inserted
> > or the fontsize of the header was increased and 'AutoFit height' was
> > enabled. 
> > 
> > The change would also require to specify the substituting behaviour in a way
> > "expected out of habit or {seeming} logical" for the case that the margin
> > not is high enough to take the insertion. 
> > 
> > (Of course, we need at the same time to regard the footers.)
This is still my opinion. I judge it to be well considered, and -at least- not
just arguing for "the wrong way" as some contributors here seem to see it. How
any other application does it or will do it 10 years from now isn't on my
screen.
> 
> Oh, I wrote that, and I still have questions.
> 
> 1. Do you suppose that I meant something "funny" when wrote problem 4? It's
> unclear to me from your text. Do you suppose that what I wrote to have the
> largest impact to be dismissible?
No. My words "not just funny" were expected to be understood as "deserving
serious considerations". I never read anything posted by you that looked
"funny" to me. Sorry for my poor English! Extremely sorry for any
misunderstanding induced by my "funny wording"!
> 
> 2. I don't understand what is your *position* that you give a rationale
> below ("it does not look FUNNY" ... "I would NOT judge it to be "LOGICAL"
> confuses me).
> 
That's hard to understand for me.
> 3. And the last thing: the given rationale absolutizes the approach; while
> e.g. Word also may decrease page body if headers/footers grow; it's just the
> first moment of insertion that actually has the psychological expectation
> that isn't met in Writer. So we may actually do that without changing also
> the process of growth of headers.
The fundamental distinction between the original insertion of a header/footer
and its later changes in height with respect to the interpretation of the term
"margin" basically under discussion here (imo), I cannot accept under my
understanding of what's logical. Also with this respect I won't figure the
warrior, of course. Even inside mathematiocs it's disputed what's a proof, now
and then.

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