[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 139338] The distinction paragraph <-> Character direct formatting in style inspector seems a kind of pointless

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139338

--- Comment #10 from Telesto <telesto at surfxs.nl> ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #9)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #7)
> > But is indeed not the 'fault' of the style inspector. It's only making some
> > of internal clear.. I didn't even realized existed.. 
> > 
> > But core is indeed not about the style inspector
> 
> Heh, so it looks like the reopening was just because you misuse Bugzilla to
> be your place to ask "what-is-it and how-to-use" questions? Indeed, this
> confirms this:
> 
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #5)
> > More intended as an inquiry.. of naïve asking what the idea behind the
> > concept is.. Not to get comment 0 through.
> > 
> > That I report it as a 'bug' doesn't necessary mean it's bug. Except I tend
> > to perceive it as bug 'initially; .
> 
> We have Ask LibreOffice for questions. Please use the right tool.


Ask LibreOffice is about user questions.. This ends up in the area of technical
questions. At ask people assume things to be this way. Or ask what the
practical issue is Or give quick fixes (workarounds). 

So it's misplaced at ask (if you ask me). You could argue it's misplaced here
too as it start with more or less technical inquiry. I unintentionally saw it a
issue fixating on Style Inspector, which was wrong (as Baron pointed out) 

So this in my opinion not a true ask question. More a possible 'bug'/
enhancement.
FWIW: Enhancement request are no bugs either, if we want be nitpicking. So
don't belong here. Would belong to UX enhancement request tracker or whatever.

The inquiry based on: "So someone who does not understand the difference, and
actually has no actual problem with it, tries to "simplify" things they don't
understand?"

It's surely possible I don't understand. Happily to admit. Except, the way you
tend to present it, makes it look like rather obvious, while refrain from
explaining it (in my perception). 

> See "16.30.2 Paragraph Styles" in ODF [1]:
> 
> > In addition to paragraph properties, paragraph styles may define text
> > properties. These are applied to the character content of the paragraph
> > unless they are overwritten by a text style that is specified by any of
> > the descendant elements of the paragraph element.
> 
> [1]
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/OpenDocument-v1.3-part3-
> schema.html#__RefHeading__1416408_253892949

I'm surely not good at reading technical documentation. 16.30.2 appears to be
about 'Paragraph Styles (styles!). And text style referencing to "character
style" (I guess)

I'm talking about the relevance of "Paragraph *Direct Formatting*" next to
"Character *Direct Formatting* ". I'm not talking about "paragraph styles". And
even if the documentation opens the possibility still doesn't explain the need
of usefulness, IMHO

The advantage of the (presence of) Paragraph Direct Formatting next to
Character Direct Formatting being unclear to me.

Direct Formatting should not be be distributed around easily. It should be
reduced to a minimum (without breaking user experience using DF) to make
working with style a success, IMHO. 
And distinctions between Paragraph Direct Formatting/ Character Direct
Formatting kind of subtle (without being visible; making managing even harder.
You easy distributing DF all over the document without knowing. Ruining the
user experience of using (paragraph) styles. You need to manually scrub all DF.
Polluting the XML files with unnecessary (additional) DF junk.

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