[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 135895] Improve documentation about numbered lists without a list style (see comment 39)

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135895

sdc.blanco at youmail.dk changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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           Assignee|libreoffice-bugs at lists.free |sdc.blanco at youmail.dk
                   |desktop.org                 |
            Summary|Improve documentation about |Improve documentation about
                   |numbered lists without a    |numbered lists without a
                   |list style (see comment 15) |list style (see comment 39)
          Component|Writer                      |Documentation

--- Comment #39 from sdc.blanco at youmail.dk ---
(In reply to kitchm from comment #38)
> I believe I understand where everyone is coming from.  However, I remain
> confused as to why lists, of any type, are handled the way they are.
The appropriate place to pursue that kind of question is with the Design team.
Look at the "Get in Contact" section of:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design.

The Bugzilla here is for reporting and resolving specific, concrete questions
about the software.

So, coming back to the matter at hand and with an eye on identifying concrete
actions that can be taken, here is a summary of the situation.

1. You opened this ticket because you had a problem with using the software.

2. I only got involved (comment 17) because there was a consensus that there
was a documentation problem –  but I could not identify what needed to be added
or changed in the documentation – in part because I could not reproduce the
problem you described, and in part because the "suggestions" made here for
changes were not correct. 

3. Since then, you have not been able to formulate a systematic procedure to
produce the problem, which is fine (no critique, just an empirical
observation), but then it is hard to know what, if anything, should be changed
in the documentation.

4. Meanwhile, also as an empirical observation, you occasionally encounter
situations in your workflow where you create a list that is ‟linked” to another
list (in the sense that changing one list seems to affect another, or the
numbering seems to be linked) – without quite knowing how or why that happens.

5. It is already possible to ‟break” that ‟link”.  Use F12 (or the ‟Toggle
Numbered List” icon on the Formatting bar) on the first item in what you think
is the ‟second” list.  Maybe not elegant.  But it works, and not particularly
disruptive either. (this advice is already found in the documentation, but the
command name needs to be updated, so I will do that, and add a picture of the
icon).

6. Comment 34 made a friendly suggestion that a new icon (command) (‟New
Numbering”) could be created that would effectively accomplish the same effect
as using ‟Toggle Numbered List”  (and might be even better, in that it might
preserve the chosen numbering/outline scheme of the item – which is currently
lost with using Toggle Numbered List twice).

7. If you think it is a good idea (i.e., it would be useful for you), then
please open a new bug report to propose this idea.  (If you do that, then under
the ‟Severity” field, set the dropdown box choice to ‟enhancement”). 

8.  From your (and my own) experiments with using Format > Bullets and
Numbering dialog, I can see one situation that some persons might characterize
as "unexpected", namely when a list item is copied and pasted to another
location, then the list identity is maintained.  

So I will add a ‟note” to:
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/using_numbered_lists2.html

with the text: 

    Copying an item from a numbered list and pasting to a new location will 
    continue the list numbering. To start a new numbering, 
    click Toggle Numbered List twice.

(This is the same page as mentioned in point 5, so if anyone has additional
suggestions for that page, now is a good time to mention it). 

9.  In light of points 5 and 8, I will set the Component back to Documentation.

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