<html> <head> <base href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/"> </head> <body> <div> <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - Bundle and use open source Hebrew fonts by default" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113538#c19">Comment # 19</a> on <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - Bundle and use open source Hebrew fonts by default" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113538">bug 113538</a> from <a class="email" href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il" title="Eyal Rozenberg <eyalroz@technion.ac.il>"> Eyal Rozenberg</a> <pre>(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=113538#c16">comment #16</a>) > (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=113538#c2">comment #2</a>) > It should be chosen based on what is best in Hebrew. We are currently > looking into what is best in latin presently (<a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - Should we change the default fonts used in Writer" href="show_bug.cgi?id=113941">bug 113941</a>). You're "begging the question" (petitio principii) - assuming that's it may be different in Hebrew than it is in Latin. Why? > > 2. Assuming it's independent - is it better for Hebrew to have serif or as > > sans-serif font? > > Well this choice has to be decide for both headings and text, similar to how > latin uses sans for headings and serif for text, and also what the best font > for headings and text should be. Actually, choosing a nice font for headings may be different than choosing one for running text. The bundling choices focus on the former. Many of them - both serif and sans serif - are totally out of the question IMHO as heading fonts (Miriam, Frank Ruehl). On the other hand, some work both in both capacities - even against each other, e.g. Alef/Alef or David/David (when you play with the sizes). > The choice of what the best font should be needs to be made both for serif > and sans fonts, as even if we went with serif for writer, sans is used in > calc and impress. Also the choice needs to be made in what is the best order > for serif and sans fonts depending on what fonts the user has installed. That's true. A secondary question, though, if the order can include both serif and sans serif fonts (e.g. "Try Miriam CLM if David CLM is unavailable"). > So is this preference of David CLM for both text and headings? Do you still > prefer David CLM over David Libre? I definitely prefer David CLM to David Libre. While some may say I've been "pre-conditioned" by using MS David for years, I still find David Libre way off with respect to spacing. It feel a bit like monospace with actually being monospaced. About headings - like I said above, I haven't actually given my preference for headings. And I think it would also depend on what's the running text font. I often use David/David myself (and perhaps one could play with the weights a bit). Another combination I like, which we can't use, is Narkisim with David - where either one works (in my perception) as a header font for the other as body font. Narkisim is here: <a href="https://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=252">https://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/family.aspx?FID=252</a> I'm not sure what I think about combining David with Alef, though. Alef is kind of kind of a "look how clever and innovative I am" kind of a font, and David is more conservative looking (conservative in the 20th century sense, not older-Jewish-tradition sense). > So you prefer Noto Sans over sans based hebrew fonts Nachlieli CLM and Rubik > Libre? If you didnt already know, Liberation Sans is a fork of Arimo and > Liberation Mono is a fork of Cousine. Not really. I kind of take that back, and it wasn't a strong preference anyway. Nachlieli is just fine. Liberation Sans too (in Hebrew, it reminds me of MS Arial actually - possibly not a bad thing). Rubik feels a bit weird as a default but I could live with it. > Starting with Word 2013, it uses Calibri for text and Calibri Light for > headings. Well, it seems they're not too sure about this either then :-)</pre> </div> <hr> You are receiving this mail because: <ul> <li>You are the assignee for the bug.</li> </ul> </body> </html>