<html> <head> <base href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/"> </head> <body> <div> <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_RESOLVED bz_closed" title="RESOLVED NOTABUG - Writer: Can't switch to Portrait" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608#c41">Comment # 41</a> on <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_RESOLVED bz_closed" title="RESOLVED NOTABUG - Writer: Can't switch to Portrait" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608">bug 126608</a> from <a class="email" href="mailto:ToddAndMargo@zoho.com" title="Todd <ToddAndMargo@zoho.com>"> Todd</a> <pre>(In reply to V Stuart Foote from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=126608#c37">comment #37</a>) > In the see also <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_RESOLVED bz_closed" title="RESOLVED NOTABUG - Impossible to use the 'Styles and Formatting' window to set the same page style for more than 1 page unless they are the last pages of the document" href="show_bug.cgi?id=57158">bug 57158</a> there was discussion of opening a enhancement for > better UX in handling of the Page Break w/Style change. Never pursued... > > @Cor, Heiko -- I had to poke around a bit for this behavior, but it is > clearly identified in the Help for Insert - Manual Break [1], but the > 6.2/6.3/6.4 newHelp needs a tweak to reposition it under More Breaks. And > the "Inserting and Deleting Page Breaks" article [2] probably should have an > Info tip to use the dialog to include style. > > As Mike & Dieter said, it works fine when one manages their styles correctly > (i.e. don't modify & apply the Default page style and expect stability). > > Otherwise do we need to give the novice user more hand holding? > Hi Stuart, Mike and Stuart gave me a work around and that is much appreciated, especially since this is a bug reporting site and not a help site. But the bugs that led me to need the work arounds still need to be fixed. Yes, I am a novice. As such I see things that developers overlook as they know what is support to do and what is suppose to happen. I don't, so I find all the warts. I also write software, although no where near on your level. I can pull my hair out for a week trying to find everything that can go wrong and think it is finished, then put it down in front of the the customer and they hand me my butt on a plate in 2 seconds flat. It can be very frustrating, so I know where you guys are coming from. I am a I.T. consultant to small business. I have LO spread across two counties. Other than using LO to read docx and xlsx eMail attachments and write shopping lists and recipes, I can not get anyone to use LO. They just tell me they don't like it and and go buy M$ Office. Now a lot of that is the old "I can't learn anything new" thing and you can't do anything about that, but a lot of it has to do with LO not being "intuitive" and being buggy. This bug report is a good example of that. How was I suppose to know that the side bar (which I don't like to use) had the bugs removed and the Format->Page-> Page menus had a bug in it? Or that the Style pop up on the bottom border would change Landscape to Portrait by choosing Landscape and that Format->Page-> Page would not? How was I suppose to know that "Style" was not orentation but it was? How was I support to know that Format->Paragraph->flow Landscape actually change the page? Why is it even in Paragraph? It is obviously a page function. Are you starting to see why folks go out and pay for M$ Office? So here is the thing, all the menus, all the side bars, all the things on the borders, all the icons should do the same thing. As Mike state, they are the tools provided (he meant only one tool, not all of them). If some of the tools are not to be accurate or maintained, the need to be removed. As an I.T. professional (BSEE Computer Engineering) and a LO novice, I am the perfect person to test if something is intuitive. I actually like LO and advocate for it with all my customers. And I am also willing to work with you guys to try and make it better. I don't know if you realize this, but this is actually a form of fan mail. I actually will work with your guys to make LO better,m rather that installing something else. My customer usually just ask me to remove it, even when I tell them it won't hurt to have both M$ Office and LO both installed at the same time. May we open this back up as a bug yet? -Todd By the way, I still can't print an envelope in Linux and still can't get fancy with tables and merged cells. Oh, to come clean, I do use Word Pro a lot under Wine. I is a ton more intuitive that LO. And I have ZERO issues with Portrait and landscape. I did wish it had LO's right click spell check. I am the only one I know that still uses Word Pro, but it prints envelopes beautifully, even through Wine and CUPS.</pre> </div> <hr> You are receiving this mail because: <ul> <li>You are the assignee for the bug.</li> </ul> </body> </html>