<html> <head> <base href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/"> </head> <body> <div> <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - UI: Branding: LibreOffice Personal edition" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486#c47">Comment # 47</a> on <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - UI: Branding: LibreOffice Personal edition" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134486">bug 134486</a> from <a class="email" href="mailto:oiaohm@gmail.com" title="oiaohm@gmail.com">oiaohm@gmail.com</a> <pre>(In reply to Emir Sarı from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=134486#c38">comment #38</a>) > Visual Studio is a nice example. Free for single developers, paid for > enterprise. Everyone is happy. This is a fools mistake every one is not happy some are having to run the illegally with Visual studio due to a particular problem. Yes it not unique to Visual studio its effecting Libreoffice before all this debate as well. <a href="https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/compare/">https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/compare/</a> Yes Visual Studio is a good example of o no we screwed our versioning. You have 3 versions Visual Studio Community/Professional/Enterprise Professional and Enterprise are to be used by Enterprise right. How does Microsoft define this. >>Enterprise organizations are defined as >250 PCs or > $1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue. That is enterprise from Microsoft. The the community version of Visual Studio cannot be used by Non-enterprise organizations with more 5 users or by anyone Microsoft calls Enterprise. Now here is the disaster. All 3 versions can submit to open source projects. Yet not everyone can legally use the same version of the software. So you have users working in a open source project with all 3 versions of Visual Studio and they legally cannot all be on the same page. Yes there are a lot of cases with Visual Studio of people installing Visual Studio Community technically against license to make sure that when they are working on a open source projects works. The issues with Visual Studio Enterprise is why I don't see LibreOffice Enterprise as the best way forwards. We don't need to cause this Visual Studio problem with Libreoffice. The base version need to be install-able by all. If those making enterprise versions of LibreOffice don't like the competition stiff. Effective collaboration between users require all uses if possible to be on the same version of software so there are no unique software quirks and everyone be able to install the same version of software. Yes this collaboration problem is why you will see companies go back to using the community supported version of Libreoffice over one of the ecosystem(what is going to be now Enterprise versions) because they run into the intermit issues where staff members are using different versions of Libreoffice into unique issues. Not as bad as different versions of MS Office but it still there and there is really only 1 fix to this problem use 1 version of software for everyone. Yes ecosystem people need to make money they need to be able to sell stuff like extensions addons ... to end users with the least number of unique versions. Currently we have way too many versions of Libreoffice like it or not. I was hoping that Libreoffice Enterprise would see Collabera/CIB and others stop making their own unique version of Libreoffice and move to a market system mode where they can sell their addons to LibreOffice to each other user base. But no we cannot have this as different companies decide to in fact work with each other to have the largest market space to sell their content to they have to make their own individual products that result in collaboration problems. These collaboration problems cause them market share problems so they are now attempting to fix the problem with marketing and attempt to restrict users of competing product they are losing to instead of facing up to the problem that they need to redo their complete method of making money out Libreoffice. There are a lot of possible sell-able consumables and addons to base libreoffice that could be done by the ecosystem in the same way blender cloud does. Currently we don't have a market place for parties to sell closed source addons to LibreOffice to LibreOffice users also we have no where to sell access to the latest and greatest templates.... <a href="https://cloud.blender.org/welcome">https://cloud.blender.org/welcome</a> Yes there is a lot of possible money to be made this route without requiring each user have per ecosystem versions of software. Yes over 119 USD per user per year using the blender cloud and sections of this money gets to go back funding the development of blender and making more content for the cloud. Yes most of the content in the blender cloud is licensed once you have downloaded it you can use it how ever you like but if you are not paying for the cloud you will no longer get the latest versions as soon as they are released. Libreoffice has attempted to-do templates and extensions for free lets be real its not working effectively to generate the volume Libreoffice needs to compete with MS Office. We need a LibreOffice cloud like blenders cloud to fund the work on templates and extensions and the blender cloud model could be used to increase the ecosystem over all income. This route that does not cause issues with the collaboration usage of Libreoffice has not been effectively explored and is a path to lots and lots of money possible more the ecosystem currently is making as well providing funding in areas Libreoffice need it in yesterday to compete with MS Office head to head in a big way.</pre> </div> <hr> You are receiving this mail because: <ul> <li>You are the assignee for the bug.</li> </ul> </body> </html>