<html> <head> <base href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/"> </head> <body> <div> <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - Change the default UI" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501#c51">Comment # 51</a> on <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - Change the default UI" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501">bug 135501</a> from <a class="email" href="mailto:momonasmon@gmail.com" title="Maxim Monastirsky <momonasmon@gmail.com>"> Maxim Monastirsky</a> <pre>(In reply to Heiko Tietze from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=135501#c0">comment #0</a>) > * Do we want to remove some UI variants, and if so which? At least the non-NB single toolbar mode can be removed, see comments in Bug 125040. Also in <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_NEW " title="NEW - Contextual toolbars make UI jumping" href="show_bug.cgi?id=124835">Bug 124835</a> there was a discussion about how the sidebar mode is supposed to work, and I think that might be a candidate for removal too. As for the other NB variants, we don't have to remove anything right now, as we can just move some under experimental. One more thing that I would like to point out is that "tabbed compact" isn't really a different design, rather just a variation of "tabbed" made as a single line of buttons, to save some vertical space. So even if we decide to go with "tabbed", it still might make sense to keep also "tabbed compact". And especially as our notebookbar can't be collapsed, unlike MS Office's ribbon. (In reply to Telesto from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=135501#c46">comment #46</a>) > (In reply to Maxim Monastirsky from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=135501#c41">comment #41</a>) > > What I really missing from this discussion are *facts*. A major change like > > this shouldn't be done without a serious study. We should collect feedback > > from users who really tried to use the other UI variants on a daily basis, > > and take a decision based on that. So arguments like "ribbon is the default > > on windows, therefore we should use it too" don't count. When we set > > something as default, we should be confident that at least it will allow > > users to get their job done. > > Such a study is time consuming and expensive. And results will be hard to > asses. I assume Microsoft did spend some money on research on the acceptance > of the ribbon or the start menu of "Windows 8'. They transition did have > some bumps and there were some tweaks.. but the didn't go back to before. I didn't actually mean a study about the acceptance of a ribbon as a concept. This is well known that some people don't like ribbons. What I meant was to gather feedback from users who are willing to use such interface, and actually tried to use *our implementation* on a daily basis. My goal is to try to find out if there are any major flaws/bugs, that might be serious enough to become blockers for the default UI switch. And telemetry won't help here, because it can only tell how many people clicked on the tabbed UI menu item, but not what issued did they have with that interface, and whether they continued to use the interface despite those issues, or just gave up and switched back to the classic one.</pre> </div> <hr> You are receiving this mail because: <ul> <li>You are the assignee for the bug.</li> </ul> </body> </html>