<html> <head> <base href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/"> </head> <body><a class="email" href="mailto:eyalroz1@gmx.com" title="Eyal Rozenberg <eyalroz1@gmx.com>"> Eyal Rozenberg</a> changed <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_UNCONFIRMED " title="UNCONFIRMED - Separate italic from oblique font family variants" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143013">bug 143013</a> <table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="8"> <tr> <th>What</th> <th>Removed</th> <th>Added</th> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:right;">Resolution</td> <td>DUPLICATE </td> <td>--- </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:right;">Status</td> <td>RESOLVED </td> <td>UNCONFIRMED </td> </tr></table> <div> <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_UNCONFIRMED " title="UNCONFIRMED - Separate italic from oblique font family variants" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143013#c5">Comment # 5</a> on <a class="bz_bug_link bz_status_UNCONFIRMED " title="UNCONFIRMED - Separate italic from oblique font family variants" href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143013">bug 143013</a> from <a class="email" href="mailto:eyalroz1@gmx.com" title="Eyal Rozenberg <eyalroz1@gmx.com>"> Eyal Rozenberg</a> <pre>(In reply to Mike Kaganski from <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=143013#c3">comment #3</a>) > > Few typefaces have both oblique and italic designs, That seems to be true. > as this is generally a > > fundamental design choice about how the font should look. This is commentary, not fact. In Hebrew, for example, it is faux pas to slant a font. There isn't even an italic form, although in some rare cases, font designers create a variant which is slants both forward and backwards, for a sort of a rhomboid shape (David CLM), or have the horizontal lines curve upwards and downwards for more of a roundish shape (Drugulin CLM). > A font designer > > normally decides to design their font with one or the other. Actually, it's more the case that if an Italic font isn't part of the design, then a serious font designer without too much pressure on him/her would simply not have an oblique variant. It is considered (not universally, but widely) a type-crime: <a href="https://creativepro.com/dont-commit-the-type-crime-of-applying-faux-italic-in-microsoft-word/">https://creativepro.com/dont-commit-the-type-crime-of-applying-faux-italic-in-microsoft-word/</a> <a href="https://listverse.com/2012/06/24/top-10-typography-crimes/">https://listverse.com/2012/06/24/top-10-typography-crimes/</a> And in Hebrew, this is even stricter: Typographic guidelines in many (most?) venues simply order you not to use oblique/slanted forms at all, period. I was actually considering creating a feature request for LO to simply not offer to use oblique Hebrew variant, except if you enable them by a special preference, defaulted-off. But then I noticed that few rare exceptions of non-italic "italics". > The two - italic vs oblique - are just internal technical method of creating > a slanted variant of the font, which will be the only one for a given font. Absolutely not. Italic variants of font families are a respectable typographic tradition going back centuries and influenced by handwritten forms. Oblique / "mechanically" slanted font family variants are hacks. Some consider them useful hacks, others consider them unsightly hacks, but hacks nonetheless. > The "italic" term is well-established to not only relate to the strict > technical method, but also to more generic meaning of slanted font variant That is only true for lay users of word processors, not for those with any knowledge of typography. I'm suggesting we ameliorate this state of affairs. PS - In Arabic and Farsi the situation is different than both Hebrew and Latin, because fonts are all basically still cursive, and originally weren't even written in straight lines but with a downward slope, making the idea of slanting all the more weird, but others would be more qualified than me to comment on that. I don't know about other scripts.</pre> </div> <hr> You are receiving this mail because: <ul> <li>You are the assignee for the bug.</li> </ul> </body> </html>